when Would the Arminian/calvinist See us 'saved In Christ/"

[JesusFan]

Do we both see if at same time or?

 

[jbh28]

You are saved in Christ when you, have faith, repentance, Spirit, justification...

 

[JesusFan]

You are saved in Christ when you, have faith, repentance, Spirit, justification...

True, but Calvinist see if as a "done deal" from Eternity past, as God decided to elect us to faith in Christ...

When would an Arminian see that, at the actual time of the faith in Christ moment?

 

[webdog]

True, but Calvinist see if as a "done deal" from Eternity past, as God decided to elect us to faith in Christ...

When would an Arminian see that, at the actual time of the faith in Christ moment?

Christ was the Lamb slain from eternity past, from before the world began. The moment we are in Him, we share in this slaying that occurred from eternity past, from before the world began.

 

[gloopey1]

True, but Calvinist see if as a "done deal" from Eternity past, as God decided to elect us to faith in Christ...

When would an Arminian see that, at the actual time of the faith in Christ moment?

Actually, many Arminians also see it this way. My belief is that God predetermined before the foundation of the world that whosoever would believe the Gospel would be saved and have eternal life. God "foreknew" those who would place their faith in His Son, and determined that those folks would someday inherit all things that pertain to eternal life.

 

[jbh28]

True, but Calvinist see if as a "done deal" from Eternity past, as God decided to elect us to faith in Christ...

When would an Arminian see that, at the actual time of the faith in Christ moment?

Not all Calvinists believe that. I have only heard a few that believe that we are "born saved" type of thinking. Most from what I have read realize that while God did choose us before the foundation of the world, in time we are placed in Christ.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Christians are born again and placed "in Christ" at the moment they sincerely place their faith in Christ alone, for their salvation.

That is when regeneration takes place.


Glory to God!

 

[Tom Butler]

Basically there is no difference, DoG, Arminian, Non-Cal, whatever.

All believe that one is saved through repentance and faith, and all believers are elected from eternity.

They differ on the ground of election, as we have already seen from earlier posts.

Calvinists believe that God chose the elect from eternity, and saved them in time.

Non-Cals believe that God chose the elect from eternity, based on His knowing they would repent and trust the Lord Jesus in time.

Some Arminians add baptism as a condition of salvation, but it makes no difference. The Arminian view of election is still based on foreseen faith.

 

[ituttut]

Do we both see if at same time or?

Believe God.