Featured Where are the Orginials?

I asked a member in a different thread “Where are the originals?”

His response was,

“represented in the CT/MT/Tr greek texts, and the Hebrew Masoretic text.”

That isn’t the originals that you stand up for as you say only the originals are inspired.
By your term “represented” shows that you either are acknowledging that they don’t exist or don’t realize the logic you’re holding to.

 

I have my father's Bible. I have my grandfather's Bible. I have my great-grandfather's Bible. None of them are in good shape. We should not expect to be holding and reading 2000, 3000 or 4000 year old pieces of parchment. God's Word has not passed away, but we do need fresh copies to hold and read.

Did he think that we would end up worshiping them?
Probably. We are very good at idol worship.

How about who ever had possession could claim they were the true church?
Not really significant. Most church groups do that anyway.

So if we did have the autographs - would we be better off?

 

If we had the originals, we would not really have to exercise faith in God's power to preserve all his words perfectly through time, copies, and translations.

 

Jesus became the book is not idolatry?

 

In ancient times, when each manuscript was handwritten, the Scriptures were venerated (revered, held in high regard, set apart as holy), but not worshipped.
The originals were probably written on papyrus, a stiff, fragile material never intended to last for long ages.

But know this: the Scriptures are God’s Word to humankind… his communication to the world.
The notion that God’s Word will not “pass away” is a reflection upon God’s attributes, particularly his immutability and his eternal nature. God doesn’t change and he is timeless.

The thought that God’s Word will not “pass away” has less to do with searching for the various originals or even the earliest copies we can find but with knowing that through everything God’s message remains unchanged and forever able to communicate to those to whom he wishes to hear it.

Rob

 

I never said Jesus became a book. I do not even have any idea what that means. I have said what I have to say to you on this subject, and if I can't explain it or you can't understand it, it will just have to remain that way.

 

They probably around somewhere.

 

We either have accurate copies from the originals or we do not. If we do not, to what degree do we have accurate copies?

 

Except for the Originals, there has NEVER been one single and unified perfect text!

 

You do NOT have an inspired and totally perfect text!

 

Reread post # 7. as that is clear idolatry!

 

No, that is not clear anything! Sounds like esoteric prattling to me. I'd be surprised if he can explain what he meant.

 

Did Jesus promise the original handwritten documents would be preserved or that the original message of God would be preserved?

And if God's message is in view, is there an expectation we would fully and correctly understand it? And then we have those who say the Bible does not mean what it says but when understood correctly means the opposite of what it says...

 

Are you claiming the 3 different Greek Texts do not represent the originals? What reading is missing in all 3 Greek New Testaments?

 

I’m referring to what you say about the originals. Your response has nothing to do with what I said to you and you diverted to KJO.
Are you acknowledging the originals don’t exist or not?

 

Represented in the copies we have, not the originals that don’t exist.

 

Some deluded KJVO think that this TRANSLATION is the "original"!!!

 

what rubbish!

 

About the nearest thing I know of has been the discovery of the so-called "Dead Sea Scrolls" in the late 1940s. These are scrolls written primarily by the Essene Sect, which were sort of OT Jewish monks who lived a separated life (From other Jewish people) that were located in and around the Dead Sea area of Israel. The scrolls were found mainly by accident when a young Jewish shepherd in the latter 1940s was searching for some lost sheep threw a rock into a cave in that area and heard a crashing sound of an earthen jar. Upon closer investigation, what he found were the containers that held these scrolls. The very dry area of the Dead Sea region of Israel was what kept these papyrus scrolls basically intact. These scrolls were vital in determining that many of the OT prophetic writings were, in fact, quite genuine in their dates, a point that latter OT "scholars" who didn't believe in the God's power to predict certain events years (Even CENTURIES!) could possibly do so. Upon scientific dating processing, the papyrus rolls upon which these scrolls were written PROVED that the OT prophetic writings were as old as they claimed to be. While the discovery of these scrolls was some 70 years ago, they did provide evidence of God's miraculous preserving power of His written Word.

 

"Pastor" Stephen Anderson has written that he WORSHIPS THE KJV !