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Featured Where did Lordship Salvation come from?

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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    And you seem to not get tired in avoiding truth while distilling false doctrine.
     
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    John Calvin taught that our works, whether good or bad, are the fruit of our faith, whether our conversion was real and genuine. It's a sign of the regeneration of the Holy Spirit. Progressive sanctification, not perfection, is an evidence, rather than condition, of our salvation.
     
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    Calvinists believe that good works are the fruit, but not the condition, of saving faith, one reason being that they, like Augustine, interpret John 15:16 as applying to all Christians, and not just the apostles.

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    Please compare this with 2 Peter 1:10, Ephesians 2:10, and other passages in the New Testament on making our election sure by its fruits.

    The New Hampshire confession also interprets John 15:16 as applying to believers:

     
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    Solomon taught that:

    16 Be not righteous overmuch; neither make thyself overwise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?
    17 Be not overmuch wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time? Ecc 7
     
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    Then John Calvin was wrong! Works along with faith are fruits of the Spirit, period:

    22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
    23 meekness, self-control; against such there is no law.
    24 And they that are of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with the passions and the lusts thereof.
    25 If we live by the Spirit, by the Spirit let us also walk. Gal 5

    You'd be immensely better off to put down this extra-biblical stuff and truly go with Sola Scriptura instead of just parroting it. (very few 'Calvinists' actually do that, IMO)
     
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    So you like Theology of Rome regarding salvation then?
     
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    Yes, and that's exactly what Calvin taught. Those who have no change in life whatsoever are false professors, because they show that the Holy Spirit never regenerated them in the first place.
     
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    But that's not what you said:

     
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    It's different ways of describing the same thing. The receiving of the Holy Spirit, the experience of being born again, and the receiving of saving faith occur at the same moment in time. The experience of being born again is only described as first in terms of logical priority, not temporally.
     
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    Do you now think the reformers held to lordship view? What is your take on it?
     
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    Rapper DMX died this year of a drug overdose, but he was active in his church and read the Bible everyday. This is why we need to remember God's grace, which is more powerful than our sin. No one can say that DMX is in hell right now. That's God's decision. He obviously had a sickness.
    DMX - Wikipedia
     
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    Reading the Bible, memorizing Bible verses, telling others to read the Bible is not the same as believing the Bible.
     
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    How can you believe the Bible without reading and memorizing the Bible? Do you see your conundrum?
     
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    How is one supposed to memorize the entire Bible?
     
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    ...ask Jack Van Impe...
    Also all Rabbi's had the Jewish scriptures memorized.

    That being said, you can read the entire Bible over and over again. The Word of God is a living sword...read it and let it do it's work.
     
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    You cannot believe without reading/hearing and possibly memorizing. You are correct on that.

    But you can read/memorize even preach and not believe. The believing is the essential past.
     
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    We agree.
    It takes God speaking his word before one believes. And for some, God does not speak, even though they read, memorize and preach. God must choose to draw a person to belief. One does not just choose to accept God. God chooses to speak to them.
     
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    Featured Where did Lordship Salvation come from?
    Answer Man.
     
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    If you think an attitude about your sin or a plan to be a good boy saves you, your in trouble. No amount of feeling sorry for your sin or any kind of commitment or surrendering to Christ will save you.

    Believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and put your trust in that to alone save you. If you are sincere your saved.

    Will that person grow in Christ? If he reads his Bible, go’s to church and prays most likely. Will he? Hopefully. But not everyone grows the way we want them too. Why so many fruit inspectors.
     
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