Where Did Our Faith Come From?

[percho]

My thoughts:

Whatever one has heard from the Word of God that tells one what has moved one from being under the law, of being under sin and death to being under the grace of life, that is, the faith.

What is that Word of God?

Is it not, the obedient death of the Son and thus the resurrection of the Son out of death, three days after his death?

The obedient death of the Son and thus the resurrection of the Son out of death, three days after his death, is the faith of one.

It is/was the faith of Abraham. The death and resurrection of the seed of him.

The death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth; Is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.

 

[percho]

My thoughts:

Whatever one has heard from the Word of God that tells one what has moved one from being under the law, of being under sin and death to being under the grace of life, that is, the faith.

What is that Word of God?

Is it not, the obedient death of the Son and thus the resurrection of the Son out of death, three days after his death?

The obedient death of the Son and thus the resurrection of the Son out of death, three days after his death, is the faith of one.

It is/was the faith of Abraham. The death and resurrection of the seed of him.

The death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth; Is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.

 

[MrW]

@Martin Marprelate



Yet the must first be saved to hear and believe the Gospel.

There is no need to hear and believe the Gospel if you're saved already. No, you must hear and believe the Gospel TO BE saved.

Hearing, conviction, conversion, salvation. You can't reverse the order and be faithful to Scripture.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

All of your stuff on this is R

God opens people’s eyes
“But God has opened the eyes of those called to salvation,
both Jews and Gentiles, to see that Christ is the mighty power
of God to save them …” (1 Corinthians 1:24, Living Bible)
The translators stand against Arminian theology …
when they write that God opens the eyes of those who are “called”.
People are called after their eyes have been opened ... so they can believe.

God alone saves
“God has chosen a plan despised by the world, counted as nothing at all
… so that no one anywhere can ever brag in the presence of God.
For it is from God alone that you have your life through Christ Jesus
… As it says in the Scriptures, “If anyone is going to boast, let him boast
only of what the Lord has done.” (1 Corinthians 1:28-31, Living Bible)
The translators stand against Arminian theology …
when they write that God alone is responsible for one’s salvation!

But, it is God’s mercy and grace (unmerited favor)
that is the underlying reason for all of it.

All of your stuff on this is RIGHT ON, Dougcho! Great stuff!

Thanks for bringing them all out.

 

[37818]

Belief precedes salvation.

Ephesians 1:12-14, . . .That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

 

[Brightfame52]

@MrW

There is no need to hear and believe the Gospel if you're saved already

Thats nonsense, how else can one know the good news of their salvation and enjoy the comfort and peace of it while not being informed ? Your comment makes no sense.

Isa 40:1-2

Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.

2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.

 

[MrW]

@MrW



Thats nonsense, how else can one know the good news of their salvation and enjoy the comfort and peace of it while not being informed ? Your comment makes no sense.

Isa 40:1-2

Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.

2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.

How else? Simple. By believing and receiving.

 

[Brightfame52]

How else? Simple. By believing and receiving.

Well for your information, something has to first be made known, b4 it can be believed duh. The Gospel makes known ones Salvation, that's why its good news.

 

[MrW]

Well for your information, something has to first be made known, b4 it can be believed duh. The Gospel makes known ones Salvation, that's why its good news.

The Gospel lets people know ABOUT salvation.

If they repent and receive Christ, THEN they are saved. John 1:12-13.

 

[Brightfame52]

@MrW

The Gospel lets people know ABOUT salvation.

No, more specific, it makes known to saved people THEIR SALVATION" Eph 1:13

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Your Salvation is in the Genitive case meaning the recipient of Gospel already possesses Salvation, so the Gospel to the saved is more so informative and instructive.

 

[Van]

Yet another thread devoted to pushing falsehood.

Faith is when we put our trust in something as being reliable and true. Thus our faith in Christ comes from us trusting in what we have learned about Jesus, i.e. God incarnate who died to provide our means of salvation. But in addition, our faith results in our love and devotion for Christ. If we do not make Christ the overriding priority of our life, we lack "faith." Our "faith" would lack a root within us, such that we are "all in" for Jesus.

The revelation of God and His Christ is given to those who learn of the gospel, but our choice to fully embrace it, or not, is ours alone. But of course our choice does not save us, as God alone who knows our heart decides whether or not to credit our "faith" as righteousness. Romans 9:16

 

[Brightfame52]

@Van

Thus our faith in Christ comes from us trusting in what we have learned about Jesus,

Yeah but it has to be the biblical Jesus, who He is, what has He accomplished, and for whom Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[Van]

@Van

Yeah but it has to be the biblical Jesus, who He is, what has He accomplished, and for whom Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

No it does not!!!
God decides to credit a person's faith, as worthless as it may be. He can reject a person whose faith is intellectually correct in every detail, and accept the faith on someone who holds many bogus views, but is fully committed to following Christ. Salvation does not depend on the person who wills to be saved but on the One who calls (transfers the person into Christ). Romans 9:16

 

[Brightfame52]

No it does not!!!
God decides to credit a person's faith, as worthless as it may be. He can reject a person whose faith is intellectually correct in every detail, and accept the faith on someone who holds many bogus views, but is fully committed to following Christ. Salvation does not depend on the person who wills to be saved but on the One who calls (transfers the person into Christ). Romans 9:16

What Jesus do you tell people to put faith in ? Is it this one Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Did your Jesus do what is stated here ? Did He save His People from their sins ?

 

[Van]

What Jesus do you tell people to put faith in ? Is it this one Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Did your Jesus do what is stated here ? Did He save His People from their sins ?

On and on you ask questions for no purpose. You ask me what I tell people to believe about Jesus, knowing that whatever I say, you will find fault.
I explained where faith comes from. It is not "the gift of faith" or "irresistible grace" or whatever revised name is being peddled.

Now you want to quibble over grammar. Did Jesus save, or is Jesus saving His people.

Scripture says Jesus will save His people. Scripture says God is reconciling humanity. How far afield will you go to deny God has revealed the means of salvation and we are to repent and believe.

You claim there is absolutely no opportunity for a lost person to alter the outcome of their life or the life of their loved ones. Scripture, Sir, say everyone believing into Him, present tense, shall not perish but have everlasting life.

 

[Brightfame52]

On and on you ask questions for no purpose. You ask me what I tell people to believe about Jesus, knowing that whatever I say, you will find fault.
I explained where faith comes from. It is not "the gift of faith" or "irresistible grace" or whatever revised name is being peddled.

Now you want to quibble over grammar. Did Jesus save, or is Jesus saving His people.

Scripture says Jesus will save His people. Scripture says God is reconciling humanity. How far afield will you go to deny God has revealed the means of salvation and we are to repent and believe.

You claim there is absolutely no opportunity for a lost person to alter the outcome of their life or the life of their loved ones. Scripture, Sir, say everyone believing into Him, present tense, shall not perish but have everlasting life.

What Jesus do you tell people to put faith in ? Is it this one Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Did your Jesus do what is stated here ? Did He save His People from their sins ? Telling people to put faith in a christ that died to save everyone , that he made salvation available or possible for all, that jesus is a false jesus, not the Jesus of Matt 1:21

 

[Brightfame52]

@Van

Now you want to quibble over grammar. Did Jesus save, or is Jesus saving His people.

He saved them,its finished Jn 19:30

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Whats finished ? The saving work the Father gave Him to do n 17:4

I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

You think the work here was only to make saving possible ?

He has purged their sins which is legal salvation in itself Heb 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

The Gospel lets people know ABOUT salvation.

If they repent and receive Christ, THEN they are saved. John 1:12-13.

"Man's depravity and inability by nature to receive the truth and turn from sin to Christ and righteousness (Jer. 13:23; John 6:65; 1 Cor. 2:14) also show the absolute necessity of the immediate impact and operation of the Holy Spirit upon the soul in regeneration.

"No mere increase of light will enable the blind to see; the disease of the eye must first be cured before external objects are visible.

"So God's work in regeneration must be performed within the soul itself. Over and above all influences of truth, there must be the direct influence of the Holy Spirit upon the heart" (ibid).

(2) Using the instrumentality of the Word.

"The instrumentality of the Word in regeneration is taught by John 3:5; Eph. 5:26; Jas. 1:18; 1 Pet 1:23. It is evident from I Pet. 1: 25 that the word in these passages is the written or preached Word rather than the incarnate Word (which is Christ). In I Pet. 1:23 the Word is characterized as that "which liveth and abideth forever."

"Then in verse 24 the perishable nature of other things is referred to. And in verse 25 the endurance of the Word is again referred to, and it is plainly specified that the Word referred to is "the word of good tidings which was preached unto you" (correct translation).

"However it needs to be understood (as we have before implied) that in the first phrase of regeneration (quickening) the Spirit operates on the soul independent of the Word.

"The spiritually dead soul must be given life before it can see and act upon the truth. It is by quickening that one is enabled to come to Christ (John 6:65). It is thus that God gives men over into possession of Christ (John 6:37)."

From: http://sovereigngrace.ddns.net:81/FTP_Root/TPSimmons/TP_Simmons/SIMMONSNEWBIRTH.htm

 

[Brightfame52]

The Gospel lets people know ABOUT salvation.

If they repent and receive Christ, THEN they are saved. John 1:12-13.

Thats man entered works salvation

 

[MrW]

Thats man entered works salvation

No such thing. Jesus saves, not men.