Where did the Black Race come from??

[Pastor Larry]

Only if heresy is defined as doctrines contained in Scripture.

Please tell me you don’t honestly think that Phil 2 teaches that Christ gave up his place in the Trinity. How could God quit being God?

Unless speaking against Scripture is wrong. Evidence above.

Where? The only thing evidenced above is that you are not thinking about truth and doctrine. Again, I hope it is merely being untaught or unthinking. I hope you have not thoughtfully embraced this heresy that denies the deity of Jesus.

"Long discredited?" By which "very able scholars?" And why would Moses have interspersed the differing styles within the selfsame narrative? You're treading water here, and poorly.

Many able scholars including Gleason Archer, Leon Wood, and many others. I would start with Archer’s Survey of Old Testament Introduction. No serious Bible student should be without one.

And where did Moses intersperse these differing styles? I don’t think he did. I think you are desperately reaching here, and following some liberal scholarship.

I have clearly explained why I have said what I said, and how I was not calling God a liar.

Where?

You are wrong, and should be used to being wrong, as you seem to do it often.

Where have I been wrong? If you are going to make these charges, please demonstrate them. You really should lay off the personal attacks though. Stick to the topic at hand.

Now, tell us why God said that Moses wrote the Pentateuch, if Moses did in fact not write the Pentateuch. This should be pretty easy to clear up, and you don’t have to stoop to personal attacks, unless you have nothing else to say.

 

[tragic_pizza]

[demeaming language removed]

 

[Rufus_1611]

I have addressed this.

You are way out of line and would do well to repent of your bad doctrines and mean-spirit.

 

[Pastor Larry]

Where did you address it? I read what you said here. It was absurd as an answer to this question. That's why I asked again. It is hard to imagine that anyone offering that as a serious response. So I am asking again.

Now, why did God say that Moses wrote the Pentateuch, if Moses did in fact not write the Pentateuch?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Jesus forfeited His place in the Trinity while on earth.

I have never heard this. Can you provide some scripture ? I always thought he claimed to be one with his Father, while on Earth.

 

[tragic_pizza]

The fact that you did notlike the answer does not in any way negate the existence of the answer. I repeat it here for your edification.

Why do you accuse me unjustly? I never called Jesus a liar, nor would I.

Jesus forfeited His place in the Trinity while on earth. This is clearly delineated in Scripture. Thus He would have known what "everybody" knew back then, and referred to Scripture as everyone else did. To lie, one has to knowingly present a falsehood. Jesus did no such thing, and I resent deeply your false accusation against me.

Why don't you, in lieu of the apology you should give but will not, explain how Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible in no less than four different styles and from at least four different points of view?

And try to do so without making more false accusations. I will not stand for it.

I will not try and find an answer you "like," Larry. I don't care what you consider ridiculous or profound. The facts are the facts.

 

[Helen]

I don't know how well I can explain this, but here's an explanation of how we could have the various races. The production of melanin is controlled by two pairs of genes. If we call them Aa and Bb, the capital letters are the dominant genes and the small letters are the recessive genes. Thus, AABB would be the blackest and aabb would be the lightest. The more capital letters, the more melanin and the darker the individual.

If Adam and Eve were both AABB, then all their offspring would only be the darkest. If they were both aabb, then all their offspring would be the lightest, and there would be no differences in skin color.

If however, both Adam and Eve were AaBb, then every combination is possible. AaBb people are like many of those in the middle east, sometimes described as "middle brown". In fact, if there are various combinations that can result from two people both with AaBb genes.

AABB - The darkest of all
AABb - Dark Brown
AaBB - Dark Brown
aaBB - Middle Brown
AAbb- Middle Brown
AaBb - Middle Brown
Aabb - Light
aaBb - Light
aabb - Lightest

If they had 16 children, then genetics say they would have had 1 that is darkest of all, 4 dark brown, 6 middle brown, 4 light, and 1 lightest of all.

Although this is Punnit Square high school genetics, it is grossly simplified. It is not a matter of two individuals only having two alleles (variations) possible of each gene. It is a matter of combinations of genes.

Genetics knows that it is not a matter of one gene/one trait as was formerly believed. Genes interact with other genes to provide far greater variation than once supposed. In addition, the timing mechanisms between genes also contribute to the variety possible.

Thus, yes, two people could bequeath to the human race all manner of variation without any mutations being involved initially at all.

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Pastor Larry, Jesus did not say that Moses wrote Genesis. He did say it was one of the books of Moses, and there is a difference. When someone edits the collected works of a group of authors and puts the collection into one piece, it is considered the editor's 'book.' That is what the evidence indicates may have happened with Genesis. It appears to be a series of eyewitness accounts which came down to Moses and was collated by him with some editorial comments added. Moses is clearly the author of the next four books. In addition, it does not take any great stretch to figure that Joshua, at the time of Moses' death, closed off Moses' writings for him by recording that death.

 

[tragic_pizza]

I have never heard this. Can you provide some scripture ? I always thought he claimed to be one with his Father, while on Earth.

Indeed He did, and it was so.

I provided a Scripture above, by the way.

Jesus' divinity is inarguable; however, as a human on earth He grew up in the same manner as us all (yet, it is true, without sin). This means He was potty trained, learned to eat on His own, learned to read, and so on.

I would argue that, on earth, Jesus' access to His Father in prayer was comparable to what another human could achieve if he or she were as dedicated to prayer as was Jesus.

Had Jesus retained all of His glory in coming to earth, then all the apocryphal stories of striking playmates dead and making clay pigeons fly might well have been true. Instead, He knows our infirmities because He has been there.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Upon his baptism, the sky was ripped open and his father uttered...

"This is my son, in whom I am well pleased."

Never heard about that happening with any other baptism.

And you can only imagine, as I can only imagine, what Christ's childhood was like. There's no record, so speculation & arguments that he was potty trained are fruitless, and I won't go there.

But the conversions, miracles, and complete mastery of scripture point to a man who yes, was fully man, but fully God, as well.

I think it's dangerous to say that a Christ who was subordinate to his father gave up his position in the trinity. The bible says that God was greater than Christ, but nowhere does he give up his son'ship, which is and always has been his place in the trinity.

 

[Helen]

I think we have a very strong indication of Jesus' childhood by the astonishment of the people in His hometown regarding the possiblity that He might be the long-awaited Messiah:

"Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. 'Where did this man get this wisdom and these maraculous powers?' they asked. 'Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?' And they took offence at him."
Matthew 13:54-57a

If He had been doing amazing things all along, they would not have been so amazed when He came to teach. In other words, Jesus probably had an extraordinarily normal childhood. The fact that His parents were so upset when He stayed behind at the Temple when He was twelve is also an indication that they did not expect this sort of activity from Him.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Upon his baptism, the sky was ripped open and his father uttered...

"This is my son, in whom I am well pleased."

Never heard about that happening with any other baptism.

And you can only imagine, as I can only imagine, what Christ's childhood was like. There's no record, so speculation & arguments that he was potty trained are fruitless, and I won't go there.

But the conversions, miracles, and complete mastery of scripture point to a man who yes, was fully man, but fully God, as well.

I think it's dangerous to say that a Christ who was subordinate to his father gave up his position in the trinity. The bible says that God was greater than Christ, but nowhere does he give up his son'ship, which is and always has been his place in the trinity.

OK, now you;re confusing your language. If Christ is God then God was greater than God?

How does that work, exactly?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

It's the Bible that says it. Ask it.

John 14:28 ""You have heard Me say to you, 'I am going away and coming back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, 'I am going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I."

OK, I showed you. Now show me where Christ gave up his sonship, while on Earth.

 

[DeeJay]

"God" is not a title or office that can be abandoned or given up. God is what Jesus is, was and always has been. The scripture you quoted says that he left Hs powers behind that He made Himself lower. Not that he made Himself not God anymore.

Bill Gates can give up his money, homes and buisness making himself poor. He can join the homeless in the shelter at night, but his is still Bill Gates.

That is the best analogy my feble mind can think of at the moment. Dont read it as compairing Bill Gates to God.

 

[DeeJay]

OK, now you;re confusing your language. If Christ is God then God was greater than God?

How does that work, exactly?

Do you not believe that Chirst is God? Even now?

 

[Claudia_T]

Thats saying Jesus was God's Son:

Matthew 21:

33: Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
34: And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
35: And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36: Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
37: But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
38: But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
39: And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
40: When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41: They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
42: Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44: And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45: And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
46: But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I think we have a very strong indication of Jesus' childhood by the astonishment of the people in His hometown regarding the possiblity that He might be the long-awaited Messiah:

"Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. 'Where did this man get this wisdom and these maraculous powers?' they asked. 'Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?' And they took offence at him."
Matthew 13:54-57a

If He had been doing amazing things all along, they would not have been so amazed when He came to teach. In other words, Jesus probably had an extraordinarily normal childhood. The fact that His parents were so upset when He stayed behind at the Temple when He was twelve is also an indication that they did not expect this sort of activity from Him.

Was he ever not the son of God ? I'm not trying to be rude, but I think the idea that Christ gave up his place in the Trinity while on earth is verging on blasphemy.

 

[bound]

Was he ever not the son of God ? I'm not trying to be rude, but I think the idea that Christ gave up his place in the Trinity while on earth is verging on blasphemy.

Hi Bro. Curtis,

I've sometimes looked at the Incarnation as the Son (i.e. Logos) restraining Himself in order to take on the flesh. What are you thoughts on this idea?

Keep up the Good Work and God Bless.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Where did the thread about the black race go to? Perhaps "Did Moses write the Pentateuch" and is "Jesus Christ God?" threads need to be created?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Hi Bro. Curtis,

I've sometimes looked at the Incarnation as the Son (i.e. Logos) restraining Himself in order to take on the flesh. What are you thoughts on this idea?

Keep up the Good Work and God Bless.

Not sure. I think the only person ever in authority in his life was God, the father. Certainly, going on only scripture, God the father is the only one Christ ever answered to.

I believe in the beginning there was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. I believe the word became flesh, our savior, Jesus Christ. It's all a little too much for my puny head to completely understand, but nowhere does Christ ever deny his deity, or deny his role in our salvation. To say that he gave up his place in the trinity while on earth is to say he gave up his ability to save, during his ministry. That can't be the case, as people were saved, by him, right up until and including his time on the cross.

 

[Claudia_T]

The law of God is a transcript of God's character. Jesus was God. He had to be our Substitute. Only He kept the Law perfectly. Had He not been God then He could not of been our Substitute. It is a very serious error to claim that Jesus was not God and/or God's Son. Jesus was the Creator.
Rv:4:11: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.