Where did the Body of Christ begin ?

[dan p]

Hi to all , and there are many believers , that hold to the following positions as to when the Body of Christ began ;

#1 , And some say it began in Genesis .

#2 , Some say it began in Acts 2 , with the day Pentecost , a Jewish feast day !

#3 , And some say it started in Acts 9 , with the apostle Paul .

#4 , Then others says it began in Acts 11 , a pastor in Naples , FL . believes this , that I know .

#5 , Than some say Acts 13 , when Paul began his first missionary journey , a former Pastor of mine .

#6 , The there is the Hyper, dispensational position of Acts 28:28 .

I do not mean what the EKKLESIA is , BUT WHEN THE BODY OF CHRIST BEGAN ?

What say you ??

 

[Tom Butler]

Howdy,

None of the above.

The church began when Jesus completed the selection of the Twelve. Everything the church had on the day of Pentecost, it had before Pentecost--including a Head, commission, ordinances, and power.

 

[percho]

1 Cor. 12:12,13,27, Young's Literal For, even as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of the one body, being many, are one body, so also [is] the Christ, for also in one Spirit we all to one body were baptized, whether Jews or Greeks, whether servants or freemen, and all into one Spirit were made to drink. And ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

The following all happened the same day.

Acts 2:1,4 And in the day of the Pentecost being fulfilled, they were all with one accord at the same place, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, according as the Spirit was giving them to declare. (They, I guess this could have been the twelve or the about 120 spoken of in chapter one.) Acts 2:32,33 `This Jesus did God raise up, of which we are all witnesses; at the right hand then of God having been exalted -- also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father -- he was shedding forth this, which now ye see and hear. (I find it highly interesting that Jesus received the Spirit from the Father. Why? Remember he told them if he did not go the Comforter would not come.) Acts 2:38,39 and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, for to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all those afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call. (The underlined equals Jews and Greeks.)

I am going to vote Pentecost after resurrection of Christ until convinced otherwise.

 

[Dr. Walter]

1 Cor. 12:12,13,27, Young's Literal For, even as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of the one body, being many, are one body, so also [is] the Christ, for also in one Spirit we all to one body were baptized, whether Jews or Greeks, whether servants or freemen, and all into one Spirit were made to drink. And ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

The following all happened the same day.

Acts 2:1,4 And in the day of the Pentecost being fulfilled, they were all with one accord at the same place, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, according as the Spirit was giving them to declare. (They, I guess this could have been the twelve or the about 120 spoken of in chapter one.) Acts 2:32,33 `This Jesus did God raise up, of which we are all witnesses; at the right hand then of God having been exalted -- also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father -- he was shedding forth this, which now ye see and hear. (I find it highly interesting that Jesus received the Spirit from the Father. Why? Remember he told them if he did not go the Comforter would not come.) Acts 2:38,39 and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, for to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all those afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call. (The underlined equals Jews and Greeks.)

I am going to vote Pentecost after resurrection of Christ until convinced otherwise.

There are several significant contradictory problems with your use of I Corinthians 12:12-13 with Acts 2:1 and the baptism in the Spirit.

First, I believe Young's translation is wrong in its intepretation of the Greek preposition "en" in I Cor. 12:13 as the translation "in" is in direct contradiction to the immediate context where the same preposition is used repeatedly in regard to the Holy Spirit from verse 3 to verse 13. Second, I believe it is wrong in regard to inferring that I Cor. 12:13 refers to baptism in Spirit rather than baptism in water. Third, I believe it is wrong in regard to misunderstanding the simile and metahpor use of "body" in verse 12. Fourth, I believe it is wrong in its inference of what the baptism in the Spirit was on the day of Pentecost as an INDIVIDUAL instead of an INSTITUTIONAL action by God.

Now, all I have done is stated my disagreements without attempting to support my positions. However, I would be more than happy to provide the evidence for my disagreement in each point.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Howdy,

None of the above.

The church began when Jesus completed the selection of the Twelve. Everything the church had on the day of Pentecost, it had before Pentecost--including a Head, commission, ordinances, and power.

I agree!:thumbsup:

 

[percho]

There are several significant contradictory problems with your use of I Corinthians 12:12-13 with Acts 2:1 and the baptism in the Spirit.

First, I believe Young's translation is wrong in its intepretation of the Greek preposition "en" in I Cor. 12:13 as the translation "in" is in direct contradiction to the immediate context where the same preposition is used repeatedly in regard to the Holy Spirit from verse 3 to verse 13. Second, I believe it is wrong in regard to inferring that I Cor. 12:13 refers to baptism in Spirit rather than baptism in water. Third, I believe it is wrong in regard to misunderstanding the simile and metahpor use of "body" in verse 12. Fourth, I believe it is wrong in its inference of what the baptism in the Spirit was on the day of Pentecost as an INDIVIDUAL instead of an INSTITUTIONAL action by God.

Now, all I have done is stated my disagreements without attempting to support my positions. However, I would be more than happy to provide the evidence for my disagreement in each point.

Well I believe that it is the Spirit in you that puts you in Christ however from Acts 2:38 it appears that this gift follows the remission of sin that follows obedience to water baptism. However I also believe that the elect of God prior to Christ death also died in Christ and I haven't put it all together put I think it has to do with by/through faith which I think is an attribute of God and not of men.

You will have to help me out.

 

[dan p]

Church ??

Howdy,

None of the above.

The church began when Jesus completed the selection of the Twelve. Everything the church had on the day of Pentecost, it had before Pentecost--including a Head, commission, ordinances, and power.

Hi Tom Butler , and the question of the OP , was , where did the Body of Christ begin and that means, where are those word found ?

Since you say it was none of the above , why are you so sure , and will you post a verse where it did begin ?

 

[Tom Butler]

Hi Tom Butler , and the question of the OP , was , where did the Body of Christ begin and that means, where are those word found ?

Since you say it was none of the above , why are you so sure , and will you post a verse where it did begin ?

The early parts of the gospels relate that Jesus called his disciples. They joined his group after seeing him preach and heal. Then he ordained them.

LUKE 6:12-13 NKJ
12 Now it came to pass in those days that He went out to the mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.
13 And when it was day, He called His disciples to Him; and from them He chose twelve whom He also named apostles.

Remember that reference to apostles. Because Paul, in I Cor 12:28 said
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles..... They were apostles before Pentecost.

Mark 3:14-15 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, and to have power to heal sickness and to cast out devils.

The scriptures also recorded that he gave them marching orders--a commission, if you will.

So, in short, Jesus formed his church after he had prayed all night in the mountain.