Where do babies go when they die?

grits

 

Frank:

The Lord Jesus was not saying babies and little children were sinless. Perhaps they have no full notion of what right or wrong is yet, but show me a child you did not have to teach how to tell the truth. Lying is natural to them. Why ? Because they have the sin nature.
But what the Lord was referring to was trust and faith of the likes you only see in little children. Like, if you taught one that the moon was actually a giant cheese he would accept that as truth because his father said so.
Of such are the kingdom of God.

 

David had the corpse of the baby with him and would have been able to dig it up after burial (and thus have the infant return to him though obviously not in a desirable state) so he wasn't planning on simply meeting the infant in the grave as a fellow corpse since bodily the infant had not gone anywhere.

 

Flyfree,

I had commented briefly but the scriptures already shared by others including Lorelei and the hearty "amen" behind Frank (was it?) Is to show I agreed with them. God is love, you then think He would fry to death a "newborn"?

The thought is sick in itself, the power of sin is in the law, where there is no law there is no trangression, Jesus redeemed those by His blood of those under the law as well as anyone who would believe upon Him. He did not come to condemn the world but to save it, so you think Jesus Christ who rebuked his diciples for holding back the little children would burn them to death because they were given no time or chance to get their theology straight?

Personally I can be really upset with these kinds of posts, but don't even want to get involved in them because there are mindsets that are sure they know what happens after death, and vague scripture points to back both sides but as with other things not mentioned in scriptures such as a child born with both sex parts, it seems vaguely silent on certain things "as to what to do then".

First off why bring the topic up? If it were true that God will fry the little ones who die, why bring this up? Really...? What can you do about that? The babies dead, now what? Do you then comfort the greiving mother with the dreadful news?

Oh I'm sorry about the loss of your innocent baby but you know where the baby is! Its stupid really, God saw us while we were yet sinners and died for us and will look at an infant or child (for such are the kingdom of God) and say, "Well you know, if they would have made it on their own and said the sinners prayer I might have redeemed them but OH WELL one for the frying pan!

God has mercy on who he will have mercy on period and if I can have mercy on such a one (as I had said) what makes me think I'm more merciful then my maker, if he's the one not desiring sacrifice but mercy Himself?

Because its not clearly written on certain things and I have a heart on which are written His laws and to walk in love is the goal how can I come to any other conclusion? I find grace in Gods eyes, God does right and is GOOD and in no way do I see that God would fry for eternity a newborn child, I sometimes think those without children are the only ones who could think such things. The Spirit in me in no way nods in agreement to such an assertion but raises within me a protest to the very thought that this can in the remotess sense be true.

With lack of verses you will never be able to have all agree on this. But to believe the worse is without hope, to speak the worse to a greiving mother is cruel because in this case there is nothing that infant can do or anyone else for that matter and the infant is in Gods hands (who is True, Just and merciful) and the Spirit bears witness in me that this is not true.

In Him Kim

 

Pinoybaptist:
Assertions are not proof.I have three children. None of them were born speaking. Behavior is a result of cognition and action. My children have learned behavior. They imitate bad behavior and good behavior. They exercise their free will in choosing good and bad. I believe Moses had something to say about that in Deut.30: 15-18.
Frank

 

Dual:
David had a concept of life after death. He prophesied of such in Psalms 16:10. Furthermore, Job and Abraham both understood their was a life past the grave.( Job 14:14, Hebrews 11:10). David would have to be ignorant of his patriarchy not to know of a future life.In II Samuel 12:23 David knew he would see his child in the future life.
Frank

 

That is exactly my point. David did not mean that he would see his child in the grave, rather he meant he would see in child in the future life.

 

Promise and Dualhunter:

The problem is that you are reading something into scripture which is not there at all.
David said he will go to him. Not meet
him.
Believers will meet each other in heaven, not in the grave.

 

So, you're saying babies do not have a corrupted nature, but that their corrupt nature comes along with their ability to learn bad behavior ?
In the process of their learning good behavior, did you have to teach them not to quarrel over one toy which one has and the other doesn't ?
Wasn't coveting what another baby has a display of corrupted nature ? Are you saying that because they have learned good behavior they no longer are with inherited corruption ?
The scripture you quoted is a command to obey and obtain blessings in this life or to disobey and have God withdraw His blessings and protections in this life,no relation at all to one's eternal destiny as an adult or a baby which I believe was the gist of the originating post.
Besides, your word of the use of learn still implies that if left alone, they would have developed bad behavior.

 

Frank:

Besides, your word of the use of learn still implies that if left alone, they would have developed bad behavior---should read "your use of the word learn".
Sorry about that.

 

Promise:

you are absolutely right. I promise to read the posts better next time. sorry.

 

Heaven.

 

Pinoy:
The Bible teaches that God made man upright.( Eccl. 7:26. However, in the same verse it says but man has sought many inventions, Men choose to do as they please and not as God directs. Men may choose good or evil. If theychoose to do as God has directed they live righteously.(Psalms 119:172, Titus 2:12). If men choose to disobey God they choose sin.( Romans 6:16). One must have a knowledge of Law to distinguish good from evil.(Romans 7:7). Paul said he was alive once without law.( Romans 7:9).
What does he mean by this?
1.That he lived in a time where there was no law. This cannot be. Paul was reared under the old law.
( Phil. 3:5).
2. At one time men had no law. No! men have always had law. Gen. 2:17.
3.Paul is referring to his time as a child when he ws not accountable to the law because he did not have the ability to discern good and evil.
Jesus said sinners should become as little children. ( Lk. 16:18). Children are innocent , not sinners. All sin brings death.(IJn. 5:17). If one is to escape death, Jesus teaches that we must be converted and become as litle children. Unless you are going to claim that men will enter heaven with unrepented sin in their life.
I have not implied anything as to a corrupt nature. Righteousness and evil are learned. Titus 2:12. TEACHING US THAT DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORLDLY LUST WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY AND RIGHTEOUSLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD. IPet. 2:21 For even here unto ye were called for Christ suffered for us leaving us an example that we should follow in his steps.
This is simple as clear as crystal. plain as pie and simple as sugar.
Frank

 

The problem with this thread is that all of you seem to think you know everything about God and everything about babies. We know neither of those can be true.

 

Once again:

 

Anyone interested in what Charles Spurgeon had to say on this issue?

This topic came up a few months ago on http://www.fundamentalisforums.com It is a very touchy issue, as anyone will be able to tell you who has had a child die in infancy.

Phil Johnson, a frequent poster on the FFF, is the webmaster of the Spurgeon Archive. He posted this link:

http://www.spurgeon.org/misc/cyc.htm

Apparently it's from a rare Spurgeon book called "Come Ye Children." Understand that it is from a Calvinistic viewpoint,of course. I simply submit it for your perusal.

Elizabeth