And where does that say the church will not pass through tribulation?
If you believe all that is future it would seem that the tribulation comes first.
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Where Does the Bible Say that the Church Will be Removed From Tribulation?
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And where does that say the church will not pass through tribulation?
If you believe all that is future it would seem that the tribulation comes first.
37818
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The rapture happens in no way before the resurrection per 1 Thessalonians 4:15. And John 6:40, ". . . believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. . . ."
You are probably not talking about the same things when you are mentioning many of these terms. I doubt if you and Revmitchell would define the church the same way. I can tell by the way you asked the first question above that you would definitely not define what you call "tribulation" the same way. This is the problem on these threads. The only thing we can agree on is that some of these words are in the scriptures. What they mean and how God defines them is totally lost on some who have not even believed the very basic fundamental truths of the Bible and thus have little or no light. Then they make up many terms that God has not commented on anywhere but these definitions have become necessary in their theology system to express their faith, unscriptural as it might be.
Many here are poles apart on what they think the purpose of God is in history.
The resurrection of whom?
Matt 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
The resurrection is like the harvest of the fields. Jesus is the firstfruits of the resurrection (harvest). The Jews had been prefiguring this truth for about several hundred years before the event by observing the feast of firstfruits annually without understanding it. It was observed just after the feast of unleavened bread, which pictures the undecaying dead body of Jesus in the tomb because there was no sin in it. The feast of unleavened bread was observed immediately after the feast of Passover when the Lamb was killed. The offering was a sheaf of wheat, gathered before the main harvest, and waved toward heaven symbolizing the firstfruits that actually happened according to the prophesy of the spring festival. I posted the fulfillment of it in Matt 27:50-54. This festival prefigured the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and was the end to which it pointed. Now, there are two more steps in the harvest, the main harvest and the gleanings. The gathering of the church is the main harvest;
Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, (the definition of the church which is his body) both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
The gleanings are mentioned in Re 20. Three in one and one in three, the first resurrection. The trinitarian signature on God's doctrine of the resurrection of the just. The firstfruits are before the church, the main harvest is the church, and the gleanings are after the church. One should be able to figure out what Jesus means by "the last day" by understanding this equation in it's context.
What a wonderful truth from our God!
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timtofly
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How can the church be removed from tribulation since tribulation is an ongoing phenomenon since the day of Pentecost?
Is there a particular tribulation you are referring to? If not, physical death is the only escape from tribulation.
Thank you for the clarification of your first paragraph. From this, I take it that you see the Church as presently going through the tribulation.
37818
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Made up nonsense. The last day, first resurrection and thousand years are not speculative. Hebrews 9:28, 2 Peter 3:8-12, and Revelation 20:4-11.
Well, okay.....
This post addresses me and not the topic. Note how the poster's malfeasance is attributed to me.
Here is what I said,
I think the rapture of the church occurs when Christ comes in the clouds, and those dead in Christ, and those still living but changed in the twinkling of an eye meet Christ in the air. How would this event be explained, if not the rapture?
Here's what I posted:
The Bible is very clear that those who are alive on the earth will be brought up to meet the King upon His triumphal arrival to destroy Babylon, the beast and its prophet, and the dragon. The text in scripture is clear on this.
What I do not read in scripture is that the church will be removed from tribulation. That is the topic of this thread so please try not to stray from the topic.
Not everything is about you, Van.
I addressed the topic, but you are attempting to switch it from being about the tribulation to the rapture.
Are we in the tribulation now, or is that in the future and Christians will not be in it?
What verses show us the latter, that the church is removed from tribulation? That's the topic. Stay on point.
There are two primary means of interpretation of scripture and they are Literal method of interpretation and Allegorical method of interpretation.
Uh no that is absurd
This post obviously addresses me and not the topic.
Note the disingenuous behavior.
Will the church be removed from tribulation? Here, rather than addressing the "Great Tribulation" the sentence can be read to address any tribulation any church member experiences in their lifetime. Good grief!!!!
Rev 7:14 NASB
I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
When someone speaks of "the tribulation" the probable reference is to the great tribulation that will occur at end time. Note Mr. Taisto" uses "tribulation" without "the" or "great."
Matthew 24:22
“And if those days had not been cut short, no flesh would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect (chosen ones) those days will be cut short.
This verse may be interpreted as saying the days of suffering will be cut short because the church will be raptured, but it can also be used as the basis for believing the [GREAT] tribulation will be cut short for the benefit of those living at that time.
“And if those days had not been cut short, no flesh would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect (chosen ones) those days will be cut short.
This verse may be interpreted as saying the days of suffering will be cut short because the church will be raptured, but it can also be used as the basis for believing the [GREAT] tribulation will be cut short for the benefit of those living at that time.
Verses many believe indicate the church will be raptured when the Lord comes in the air...
Many also believe His return is immanent, but still future.
Many also believe His return will occur before or during the first part (pre-wrath) of the Great Tribulation.
Mark 13:32
32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Revelation 3:10
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
Matthew 24:30-31
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Philippians 3:20-21
20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53
51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—
52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
Many also believe His return is immanent, but still future.
Many also believe His return will occur before or during the first part (pre-wrath) of the Great Tribulation.
Mark 13:32
32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Revelation 3:10
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
Matthew 24:30-31
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Philippians 3:20-21
20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53
51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—
52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
For all readers: Explain how an unchurched 5th grader would see the church removed from tribulation in the following verses.
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Alan Gross
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It doesn't.
Are you asking about any particular use of the word, "tribulation"?
From my blog, I list 66 scriptures from the teaching portions of the New Testament ( w/o Revelation's Apocalyptic genre) that each show the gist of the passage regarding the Lord's return.
Each one indicates that the Lord's Second Coming is the Final Event in what we know as time and, therefore, is the End of Time, and Great Consummation of the Age.
I personally don't see any indication of anything on Earth, after Jesus Return. Where is it? A New Heaven and a New Earth, yes. That's it.
I also personally consider it an astounding privilege to have been blessed to know.
9.0.0 > NT Intro iv: SIXTY-SIX NEW TESTAMENT Verses Teach The SECOND COMING of JESUS CHRIST & THE END of TIME.
timtofly
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Presently meaning over the last 1993 years. Every generation since the Cross has been present in tribulation.
So what sort of liberalism do you believe?
Absolutely. There have been faithful Christians facing tribulation ever since the Gospel days.
Revelation 1:9. I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. ESV, (sorry I have a new device and haven't managed to get any other versions on here yet.)