Where does the SDA stand with Ecumenicism?

Never heard that Bob. Pretty interesting seriously.

 

Chadman,

Happy to be of service. As I have said before - it is one thing to differ with a particular doctrine of another Christian group -- it is another not to even know what it is. This board will never have us all agreeing on every doctrine - but hopefully it will help us know what the issues are and where there may be unnexpeted differences or unnexpected agreement.

In Christ,

Bob

 

chadman,

If you will go here:

http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/gc/gc20.html

and starting that that chapter, read the rest of the chapters of that online book, you will get an explanation of what the 1844 Movement in the Seventh Day Adventist Church was all about. Unfortunately there are distortions about it out there, so its good to go right to the source and read about it, instead.


Claudia Thompson

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http://www.christiangraphics.org
http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org
http://www.templatehog.com

 

ECUMENISM

Also, anyone who wants to know how REAL Seventh Day Adventist views the idea of ecumenism can go to this chapter and read onward from there, to find out:


http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/gc/gc20.html

There isnt anything to be gained from ecumenism with other denominations when most are bowing to the Roman Catholic Church, either knowingly or unknowingly. Why help them out or encourage what they are doing by uniting with them?

We will agree with other churches where they are advocating a Biblical doctrine, based on Scripture but beyond that, there is no ecumenism. To do so would be to go against God and negate everything we are supposed to stand for.

Jude:1:3: Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

2Cor:6:15: And what concord hath Christ with Belial?


And I am talking about DOCTRINE not people. Most are ignorantly supporting falsehoods.

There IS and WILL BE ecumenism though, as the Bible points out...
Rv:17:13: These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

go to http://www.seventh-day.org and click on the link on the left that says "Rome's Challenge".

The Catholic Church thinks it is GREAT that so many Christians go along with their command to change the Sabbath to Sunday. But God doesnt advocate that. Mk:7:7: Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

How can we support or ecumenise with such a Movement?

Not only that but most other denominations advocate the false teaching that when you die you go right to heaven or "hell" which is completelt unbiblical and originated in the Roman Catholic church, who adopted it from paganism... you can read the true Scriptural teaching here:

http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org/stateofthedead.htm


AND most denominations have also adopted the false teaching about what "Hello" is which also was taken from the Roman Catholic church and paganism... and paints a horrific picture of God...

and so NO a true Seventh Day Adventist isnt going to want to unite with or ecumenise with such a thing.

http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org/hellfire.htm


Claudia Thompson

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http://www.christiangraphics.org
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God calls people OUT OF BABYLON, He doesnt admonish them to unite with it or to ecumenise with it. He calls them to take a stand with those who keep His commandments, including the 4th commandment. And a real Seventh Day Christian isnt going to worry if this makes him or her appear "singular" or "different" or not going with the crowd... what GOD tells us to do is what matters and not what man thinks.

Which of course flies in the face of the current popular thinking that says "you are not a real Christian unless you join with what all other Christians are doing".


Rev. 14:6-12
6: And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7: Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8: And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9: And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


Rv:18:4: And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


Claudia Thompson

http://www.countrymanordesigns.com
http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org
http://www.christiangraphics.org

 

Just one more point, Jesus was nailed to a cross because He didnt "ecumenise" with falsehood.

There is not a nice picture painted for what is going to come upon us in the future...

Matthew 10:
34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35: For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36: And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.


Jn:16:2: They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.


and Satan is NOT going to be all cozy with those who do what God tells them to do, and you think those who go along with Satan's falsehoods are going to be any nicer to God's people who actually do what He SAYS??? NO!

Rv:12:17: And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


so this "can't we all just be friends" just is not Biblical. If one does what God says, he or she is going to face persecution. It wont be all one big rosey ecumenical fun time.


Claudia Thompson

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http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org
http://www.christiangraphics.org

 

Claudia - it is interesting that the link you have given is a history of the Millerites and also of the start of the Adventist church. The source quoted does not get into vitriolic diatribes against other Christians it simply points out an evolution of our understanding of truth. In this case truth "rediscovered" after it was covered up in the dark ages.

The quest for truth is not the same thing as the quest to offend and insult fellow Christians - nor even to break communion with the "majority of the saints" on earth. ( A group Ellen White claims to be primarily outside of the Adventist church in terms of numbers).

There is no need to drop a doctrinal statement of belief simply because you choose to fellowship with other Christians that are not of your same denomination.

Participation on this message board can be a good example of that.

In Christ,

Bob

 

I meant to include something with my last post and here it is:

It is not the Seventh Day Adventists who have gotten off the path of Protestantism and the truth, it is those who now think it is showing a "Christian spirit" to unite with Rome.... they have forgotten that to be a Protest-ant means to protest against the false doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church.


The theory of the immortality of the soul was one of those false doctrines that Rome, borrowing from paganism, incorporated into the religion of Christendom. Martin Luther classed it with the "monstrous fables that form part of the Roman dunghill of decretals."--E. Petavel, The Problem of Immortality, page 255. Commenting on the words of Solomon in Ecclesiastes, that the dead know not anything, the Reformer says: "Another place proving that the dead have no . . . feeling. There is, saith he, no duty, no science, no knowledge, no wisdom there. Solomon judgeth that the dead are asleep, and feel nothing at all. For the dead lie there, accounting neither days nor years, but when they are awaked, they shall seem to have slept scarce one minute."-- Martin Luther, Exposition of Solomon's Booke Called Ecclesiastes, page 152.


"They allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord's day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it appear, neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, they say, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments." Martin Luther, Augsburg Confession of Faith, art. 28.


Once again, I point you to my website http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org to see the true Biblical doctrine about what "Hell" is, go to my homepage, scroll down and to the left you will see a link that says something like "What is Hell" and also one about "What happens when we die?" and for the subject of Sunday false Sabbath go to the top portion of my homepage and click the link "Who is the Antichrist" and scroll down also and click the link "National Sunday Law"

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Claudia Thompson
http://www.countrymanordesigns.com
http://www.christiangraphics.org
http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org

 

and furthermore, Protestant Christians ought to take time to read this about trying to "ecumenize" with the Roman Catholic Church:

http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/gc/gc35.html

http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/gc/gc36.html

 

Well this thread went dead pretty fast!

I would like to see the previous dialoge pick back up.

Claudia - your link includes this quote Romanism is now regarded by Protestants with far greater favor than in former years. In those countries where Catholicism is not in the ascendancy, and the papists are taking a conciliatory course in order to gain influence, there is an increasing indifference concerning the doctrines that separate the reformed churches from the papal hierarchy; the opinion is gaining ground that, after all, we do not differ so widely upon vital points as has been supposed, and that a little concession on our part will bring us into a better understanding with Rome. The time was when Protestants placed a high value upon the liberty of conscience which had been so dearly purchased. They taught their children to abhor popery and held that to seek harmony with Rome would be disloyalty to God. But how widely different are the sentiments now expressed!

How is that topic related to this one??

The fact is that Adventists practice "open communion" and also allow Adventists to participate in the communion services of other Christian groups.

That is true regardless of the view that Protestantism has had of the doctrines of Catholicism in past decades, or even how well justified the negative view was.

In Christ,

Bob