easternstar
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Where is heaven?
- Thread starter easternstar
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Do when Jesus ascended into Heaven - did Jesus experience a "dimension transformation"?
Such a good question! To be honest, I have no idea, but I like to speculate ;D
I think after His resurrection He was glorified in body, which is what let him appear among His disciples through a locked door (Jn 20:26). From 1 Jn 3 we will be transformed to be like Him when He appears, whixh ia pretty amazing! What purposes will He have for us in the future age of righteousness?! Amazing to even consider!
But you bring up a great point… why ascend on the clouds? Maybe just the fulfillment of Daniel 7? Maybe to help them understand His final departure from the earth?
I don't think there will be any explaining necessary.
We will enter into another realm and what we didn't know we will then know.
canadyjd
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Your thinking is from a human perspective, not from GOD's perspective. The universe has trillions of celestial bodies and will never stop expanding-Genesis 1:8, understand? You know that GOD is Omnipresent, right? But the most interesting detail is that GOD is sat on the circle of the Earth-Isaiah 40:21-22:-> 21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard?... -> 22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; The Omnipresent GOD is Life, and the Earth where He is sitting is full of life.
You must rethink what you wrote above, it was up from your imaginations, you should not interpret Scriptures as a "grasshoppers". The third heaven has nothing to do with what you said. Heaven has nothing to do with sky, this materialist vision is good for nothing. The letter kills, is mortal-Genesis 2:17 combined with 3:22. -> Read Ephesians 1:3-10 and so on. Furthermore, the 3rd HEAVEN->(2Corinthians 12:2) will be established from now on, understand? ->By the way, the 1st and 2nd heavens will be burned from now on->2Peter 3:7. ->And "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by FIRE; and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is".->1Corinthians 3:13.
Throw your interpretation above into the fire to burn it forever. By the way, the fire is purifier, right?
The question is NOT where is Heaven, but where are the Heavens. The Abode of God is the Third Heaven.
What does the Word of GOD say? What is written in Revelation 11:15-18? And what did our Lord JESUS say in Luke 17:26-30 and Revelation 5:10 combined with Matthew 5:5, and Revelation 20:4?
Nothing that I can see concerning entering into heaven and then knowing what we don't know now.
Ascetic X
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“Heaven is the palace, or presence-chamber, of the Supreme Being who is both the cause and source of all holy love. God, indeed, with respect to his essence is everywhere. He fills heaven and earth. But yet he is said on some accounts more especially to be in some places rather than others. He was said of old to dwell in the land of Israel above all other lands, and in Jerusalem above all other cities in that land, and in the temple above all other houses in that city, and in the holy of holies above all other apartments in that temple, and on the mercy seat over the ark above all other places in the holy of holies. But heaven is his dwelling place above all other places in the universe.”
(Jonathan Edwards, “Heaven is a World of Love”)
(Jonathan Edwards, “Heaven is a World of Love”)
Imaginations is good for nothing. What does the Word of GOD say? Philippians 3:20-21:-> 20 For our conversation is in heaven; (heaven? Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on, take a look) from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord JESUS Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Romans 8:18-19-> 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. ->>Alleluia<<-
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature
Matthew 25:29-> For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. -(Terrible, very terrible).
Revelation 1:7-8; -> 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Ascetic X
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You quoted 6 verses. But only one of them directly deal with heaven. The question is “where is heaven?”
The another realm is the LITERAL fulfillment of Revelation 11:15-18 from now on. And combined with 1Corinthians 15:24-28 and 51-55, as follow:
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN all RULE and all AUTHORITY and POWER. ->(UNDERSTAND?)
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under Him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that GOD may be all in all.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep ->(1Thessalonians 4:15. take a look), but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible->(DANIEL 12:1-3 COMBINED with Isaiah 26:19-21 and 1Thessalonians 4:16, take a look) , and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. ->(Philippians 3:20-21)
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
LUKE 18:8 - > Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Ascetic X
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Again, you quote a lot of verses, but none of them are relevant to the question “where is heaven?”
Brother, you need to do a little explaining with all that Scripture.
That would inform us as to what that Scripture means to you.
The people of GOD already lives in the 2nd heaven and blessed with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: (Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on) and do not know identify this celestial environment where were placed by he Power of my Lord JESUS Christ. Sad, very sad.-> But now, even now, from now on, this heavenly environment, the 2nd heaven, more the heavenly environment of the 1st heaven, BOTH WILL BE BURNED WITH EVERLASTING FIRE.
1Coprinthians 3:12-15:
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
2Peter 3:7 - the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Dear brother, Scriptures interpret Scriptures, understand? I give you Scriptures interpreting Scriptures.
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