No. as a matter of fact I can direct you to forums where the Post-Trib view is presented in a very convincing way.
So far Progressive Dispensationaslists have best reconciled he [sic] inconsistencies that view holds.[/QUOTE]
Well good to know that you think other views are valid to a point.
Unfortunately, the reconciliation has issues, such as a localized Tribulation in the Middle East, the rest of the world not being affected, and unbelievers entering into the Millennial Kingdom.
Well I will give you this you are slightly more read then I am, as I have never heard of a pre-mill view that also localizes the Tribulation to the middle east.
Good of you to be fair to this group.But to be fair it should be made clear that this is only the views presented by those Progressive Dispensationals I have spoken with. I have not looked to see if there is a certified source or representative of that group.
Your tone came off as quite different in your last post to me. But this one I felt was more civil. That is the curse of this medium is that tone can and does get lost in translation. I will give you the benefit of the doubt however.I am being no different than I was before, lol. I was impressed by how well you took the "Oh, Pastor preaching" jab, lol. Still laughing about that.
I don't remember the "Oh Pastor preaching jab, although I'm glad to see you admit to taking jabs.
.Thanks, you made me lose my focus...now where was I..
Mission accomplished
Again, it was supposed to be humor.
I made it clear in what I said:
See above about tone.
Just leaving this in so you don't accuse me of miss quoting you.The response:
Fair enoughTo be quite honest, I could care less about what your pastor or church believe or hold to, but it is revealing to find out that you sit under an a-mil pastor.
Odd you wouldn't mention that to me before, when you were stating you were a pre-millennial. Now you act as though you've just had an earth-shattering epiphany and have decided all at once to become amil.
I don't see any change.
That is your perogative
Again just leaving this for the sake of not misquoting you.And that is relevant to...?
I do enjoy Spurgeon, on of my favorite Preachers to read.My own fellowship is independent and the worst I think my Pastor deals with is the Deacons, and the Doctrine he preaches is clearly an independent Doctrine outside of those influences he has had in his walk, his dad being the previous pastor being one of those, I would assume, and he mentions others he is fond of as well. Spurgeon being near the top of the list.
Yes I will deny that, because as I said above tone is hard to portray over this medium, but it is your prerogative if you choose to accept that or not.Like those pre-tribbers who are the stuff of ridicule, right? Will you deny nce [sic] again you intended any insult towards those that embrace the doctrine?
As do we.We drive a bit over 30 minutes, depending on how fast I drive, lol. Worth the trip.
I would be curious as to which one you were looking at, because I have looked at the Baptist Faith and Message, and all its changes and it has gotten tighter on issues as the years go. But this is kind of off topicIf you mean the SBC Statement, I already commented on that: they are a little broad in their statement. I did find a link where they present five different views of the same subject (eschatologically oriented) so what you said about them fit perfectly with what I saw.
From what I understand, the organization really comes down to the Co-Op and their Seminaries. There is definitely some rivalry between the different Seminaries especially as Reformed theology has had a resurgence in the SBC and a couple Seminaries have embraced Reformed theology. It is creating a bit of a civil war if you will but that is off topic just a bit.There is just no clear statement, and seeing that your own church is amil, it makes one wonder if there is any organization at all, as is suggest by their name.
True enoughAs I said, every SBC fellowship I ever attended was premillennial, but that might be an issue of locale.
Fair enoughI don't. Doesn't mean I can't comment on them. I comment on ORs organization all the time. lol
The pre-trib view is not a "camp," in itself, though people like OR and you like to cast it as one.
Camp, view, idea... take your pick.
Your Church shows that perfectly, don't you think? Any flavor of eschatology is okay...
'In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity'
Fair enoughWhat that shows is that "organization" is not very organized, but scattered in doctrine, with no dogmatic statement on this issue, anyway, and that is about all I care to know about them
This is one reason the Catholic Church appeals to some people, who also do not have a strong focus on personal knowledge of Scripture, but they appreciate the consistency of that organization.
Okay...?
I must have missed the requirement of posting all about our churches doctrinal statements before posting here.I have not seen that to be the case. Now that I know you attend an amil church it makes perfect sense. That you would hide that to some extent is questionable.
Well I appreciate that admission.And I can believe you have re-examined them.
You take it like a personal slam. That's not the case. You want to believe Christ returned in fulfillment of prophecy in the first century...have at it. I think you do your antagonists a disservice by not being able to be open about your beliefs. I think you do yourself the greatest disservice because we test what we believe by examining them with others, who will be more than happy to debate with you.
I do not believe that Christ has returned already, anymore then you do. I think you are thinking of post-trib view.
Well I am talking to you so not sure what disservice you think I am doing.
Glad to see you admit that you are confirming my views of this board.As I am also confirming.
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