David Lamb
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I don't see anything political in my post - it certainly wasn't intentional, if it was there. I am not "running for" (as you say in the States - we tend to say "standing for") any political post.
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Where is the Gospel that Saves One's Soul Found?
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David Lamb
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No, it's by A. M. Hodgkin. It's available free as a pdf file at: https://www.brethrenarchive.org/media/365850/hodgkin-a-m-_-christ-in-all-the-scriptures.pdf
I haven't heard of Adolf Safir, so I have no idea how he approaches hermeneutics, or whether I would agree with him.
Romans and all of the Epistles are our primary theology texts for those under now the new Covenant
RYR:
17.... what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? Mk 10
Christ's answer was:
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor thy father and mother. Mk 10
RYR:
Teacher, all these things have I observed from my youth.
No where in the context did Christ dispute that statement. It says that Christ loved him.
I suppose you also believe Christ told him if he sold all his stuff and gave it to the poor he could make it to heaven?
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Sorry for the ill fated humor, notice my signature.
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Sorry, it was "Christ and the Scriptures" by Adolf Saphir (not Safir)...strike two. (that's American baseball).
..again, my signature.
You should have made your OP clearer. Everyone thought you were asking "where is it". Now you tell us here that you weren't asking a question, but stating that "it isn't where you think it is".
Ken is referring to the complete Bible, just not sections of it.
canadyjd
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Thanks for agreeing with me. The law never saved anyone because it only revealed our sin and need for a savior.
That doesn’t change the fact that, according to scripture, and even the words of our Lord Jesus, IF you could keep it, you would be saved.
We can’t get passed love the Lord your God with all your heart mind strength…
Peace to you
canadyjd
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Matthew 19:17…. “If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments”… which supports what I stated earlier that if you could keep the law, you would be saved.
When the RYR claimed to have kept all the commandments, Jesus told him he lacked ONE thing… which answers your question about Jesus disputing he had kept the commandments. As Paul stated, if you violate one law, you are condemned.
Concerning your 2nd question, the answer is no. The act of giving all to the poor only released him of that which was keeping him from following Jesus.
So… give all to the poor and follow Me. He, and we, need to follow Jesus for salvation.
This is consistent with the truth the law only revealed our sin and need for a savior.
Hope that answers all your questions.
Peace to you
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Everyone? In that case, forgive me I'm not a perfect poster, we all have our points of view as to where the gospel is found in the scripture. I thought I was inviting discussion on that matter.
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That's why I asked the question about one section of it regarding the Levitical law.
canadyjd
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Thanks for clarifying. I apologize. I misunderstood the point you were making.
Peace to you
David Lamb
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Thanks, but I didn't take offence - I was just puzzled, Thanks again.
Jesus main point was to show to that young ruler that his good works so called did nothing for his spiritual state, as He was still truting in his wealth to save him and not in Grace of God , as while his works looked impressive, were worthless in sight of God to save him from his sins
There never ever has been the opportunity for any human to be justified by the law of God, for while the Law is perfect and any who kept it perfectly would then be justified before God, the truth is sinners could never keep it, and that is why the Messiah must come and do for His own what none could ever do for themselves, to keep the law fully as the atonement for the sins committed by His own people
mosaic Law covenant was conditional, could only receive physical blessings and only if obeyed, but the New Covenant unconditional, as God did all to save His own people by i
canadyjd
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Opportunity does not equate to ability.
God gave the Law. God said keep the law and you will live. The opportunity has been there. The ability has not. Salvation has always been by God’s grace according to the kind intention of His will.
Peace to you
Yea, that's the typical 'evangelical' extremist take on the passage. Good parroting, JF! Take pride, rest in your 'orthodoxy'.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor thy father and mother. Mk 10
8 Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law. Ro 13
There's not a doubt in my mind that RYR was a genuine "doer of the law":
13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them); Ro 2
If there's ANY of you professing followers of Christ that are not 'doers/fulfillers' of the law by this standard you really need to do a deep self-examination. You're supposed to have had the law supernaturally written in your heart, 'working no ill to your neighbor' should be as natural to you as water is to a duck.