Where is "worship" one of the purposes of the assembly?

[webdog]

No it isn't. Near the beginning of the thread this is your entire post:

To most, that indicates that one should worship in a church.
After that post, I posted that our primary place of worship is in the home, as Christ directed it to be. And you have been on my case ever since. Please don't be dishonest.

I wasn't dishonest...I was following the OP. You still maintain the PRIMARY place of worship is in the home (consisting of 4 walls). Make up your mind.

 

[DHK]

The OP:
RE: Where is "worship" one of the purposes of the assembly?

This was the question and we were providing scripture to show that it is a part of the assembly, or church. Those who run off in all directions are the ones who left the OP, such as homes, etc. That was not the question of the OP.

BBob,

Here is the OP (Let's be more complete):

I am asking a straightforward question in response to the statement "One of the reasons I go to church is to worship".

Where in the NT does it speak of "worship" as being one of the purposes of the church?

My answer is:
I do not go to church to worship. I go to be fed. I go to a church where the Sheperd feeds the sheep. That is what Christ commanded Peter; it is what Paul commanded the Ephesian elders. Neither one of them commanded worship. Both of them commanded that the sheep be fed. Feeding the sheep involves teaching and preaching. A person's devotional life is very important and ought to be every day, usually at home or in a private place. That is primarily where we worship.

Jesus said to Peter: Feed my sheep. He said it three times. Not once did he say to worship in the church.

 

[David Lamb]

You are correct. It is a shame that the word church, in English, has come to mean both the body of Christians and the building. It is really a shame we do not have another term for the building.

I think we do have such a word, though it seems not to be used so much as in the past. It is the word "chapel". But that has its problems, too, because to Roman Catholics and similar, a "chapel" is a part of a church building, as in "Lady Chapel".

 

[tinytim]

We should not come to the church building in order to worship...
We should come Worshipping....

Everyday we should worship in private,
and then on Sunday morning, we should bring our private worship together and worship corporately... We should be worshipping on our way to the building, walking in the building, and even after we leave the building...

Worship incorporates everything we do during service..
Worship is using the gifts and talents we have to show God how much he is WORTH to us.

So when the preacher is preaching... He is worshipping (using his gift)
The congregation is worshipping (listening and praising God for his word)
When we sing we worship... (as long as the songs are not self centered...)
When we pray, we worship..
When we speak, teach, listen, we should be worshipping....

Down here is practice for eternity... If you don't like worship, you will hate Heaven... because that is what we will be doing....

Not sitting on a cloud.
Not sitting by a fishin hole
not standing on the banks of "Jordan" waiting for others to cross over...
Not walking around talking to saints...
Not admiring our mansion....

BUt plain and simple... Eternal worship to the one who gave his life so that we can be in Heaven!

 

[Amy.G]

We should not come to the church building in order to worship...
We should come Worshipping....

Everyday we should worship in private,
and then on Sunday morning, we should bring our private worship together and worship corporately... We should be worshipping on our way to the building, walking in the building, and even after we leave the building...

Worship incorporates everything we do during service..
Worship is using the gifts and talents we have to show God how much he is WORTH to us.

So when the preacher is preaching... He is worshipping (using his gift)
The congregation is worshipping (listening and praising God for his word)
When we sing we worship... (as long as the songs are not self centered...)
When we pray, we worship..
When we speak, teach, listen, we should be worshipping....

Down here is practice for eternity... If you don't like worship, you will hate Heaven... because that is what we will be doing....

Not sitting on a cloud.
Not sitting by a fishin hole
not standing on the banks of "Jordan" waiting for others to cross over...
Not walking around talking to saints...
Not admiring our mansion....

BUt plain and simple... Eternal worship to the one who gave his life so that we can be in Heaven!

You mean we're not gonna be sittin' up on clouds eating Philidephia Cream Cheese on bagels???? Sigh.........

:laugh:

Great post! You nailed it!

 

[Brother Bob]

Here is the OP (Let's be more complete):
My answer is:
I do not go to church to worship. I go to be fed. I go to a church where the Sheperd feeds the sheep. That is what Christ commanded Peter; it is what Paul commanded the Ephesian elders. Neither one of them commanded worship. Both of them commanded that the sheep be fed. Feeding the sheep involves teaching and preaching. A person's devotional life is very important and ought to be every day, usually at home or in a private place. That is primarily where we worship.

Jesus said to Peter: Feed my sheep. He said it three times. Not once did he say to worship in the church.

DHK; this is the weirdest statement I ever heard, and a first. I will not be using it anywhere in my work, serving the Lord.

I do not go to church to worship

BBob,

 

[DHK]

DHK; this is the weirdest statement I ever heard, and a first. I will not be using it anywhere in my work, serving the Lord.


BBob,

Apparently you have been "brain-washed" by the contemporary ways of the world who insist on having a "worship service" which just 50 years ago was never heard of. Read history books. You never hear of people going to a "worship service" in years gone by. It is not there. This is a contemporary innovation.

Listen to the Word of God.
What did Christ say to Peter.
"Feed my sheep."
"Feed my lambs."

What did Paul say to the Ephesian elders (pastors)

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Not once does either Paul or Christ tell them to worship. The word used is "feed." That means teach. If somehow you get worship out of that you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Brother Bob]

Apparently you have been "brain-washed" by the contemporary ways of the world who insist on having a "worship service" which just 50 years ago was never heard of. Read history books. You never hear of people going to a "worship service" in years gone by. It is not there. This is a contemporary innovation.

Listen to the Word of God.
What did Christ say to Peter.
"Feed my sheep."
"Feed my lambs."

What did Paul say to the Ephesian elders (pastors)

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Not once does either Paul or Christ tell them to worship. The word used is "feed." That means teach. If somehow you get worship out of that you are sadly mistaken.

You honestly do not think that "worshiping God" is a great part of all you posted. DHK; it just does not make sense to go to church and not "worship God"!!!!
The fact that a person being sick and feeble, but will still drag themselves to Church, is "worshiping God". You can't do nothing that God has commanded, such as "fail not to assemble thyselves together, without worshiping God.
You can't begin the service with a song, without worshiping God.
You can't preach a sermon, without worshipping God.
You can't visit the sick, feed the poor, give someone a drink of water in the Spirit of the Lord, without worshipping God.

and yes,
feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood, is worshipping God.
You would be feeding the church, because you love God, would you not? That is worshipping God.

Even the work of the church, if done in the Spirit, is worshipping God. You are working to upbuild His Kingdom, are you not?

Only thing I can think of and not worship God, is to do one of those sins, you say a child of God can do that the world does. Now that would not be worshipping God.


Everything you do as a Christian, whether you are at church, home, in your car or just walking and you think of God, you are worshipping Him.

The whole duty of man is to fear God and keep His commandments. That is worshipping God. If you dedicate your life to the Lord, that is worshipping God.

I just do not understand where you are coming from and why you would even want to keep holding to that position.

1Cr 11:18For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

1Cr 11:23¶For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the [same] night in which he was betrayed took bread:

Is this not worship, taking the Lord's Supper in a church?????????



BBob,

 

[donnA]

You mean we're not gonna be sittin' up on clouds eating Philidephia Cream Cheese on bagels???? Sigh.........

:laugh:

Great post! You nailed it!

 

[DHK]

The whole duty of man is to fear God and keep His commandments. That is worshipping God. If you dedicate your life to the Lord, that is worshipping God.

That sounds so nice and sweet Bob.
Now, back it up with Scripture. Where does the Bible teach what you are teaching.
What is "worship"
How is:
fearing God, worship?
keeping his commandments, worship?
dedicating one's life, worship?

What is worship, Bob?
First define it. Then answer the above questions.

 

[Brother Bob]

That sounds so nice and sweet Bob.
Now, back it up with Scripture. Where does the Bible teach what you are teaching.
What is "worship"
How is:
fearing God, worship?
keeping his commandments, worship?
dedicating one's life, worship?

What is worship, Bob?
First define it. Then answer the above questions.

I am sorry DHK; I did not realize you didn't know the meaning of worship. No wonder you have been taking the position you have took. Here I will try and help you.

Main Entry: 1wor·ship Etymology: Middle English worshipe worthiness, respect, reverence paid to a divine being, from Old English weorthscipe worthiness, respect, from weorth worthy, worth + -scipe -ship Date: before 12th century 1chiefly British : a person of importance —used as a title for various officials (as magistrates and some mayors)

2: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence

3: a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual4: extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem <worship of the dollar>



4352
proskunew
proskuneo
pros-koo-neh'-o
from proV - pros 4314 and a probable derivative of kuwn - kuon 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):--worship.

BTW; We kneel in prayer at church, do you?? Also, we thank Him for all He has given us, for watching over us all these years, for the many blessings He has bestowed on us, for the Gift of His Son, that we might live again when this life is over, for helping us through our troubles and sorrows, etc. Do you get the picture, if that is not worship, you tell me.

BBob,

 

[Revmitchell]

Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with Reverence and godly fear:
Here we see that worship must be :

1. Acceptable to God
2. Done with reverence and godly fear (which is redundant)
3. Done by the grace of God.

The word serve in this verse is the Greek word "Latreuo" which is a form of the word worship. In the NT this word is used as "serve"16 times, "worship" 3, " do the worship " 1, and "worshiper" 1.

Another form of the word "worship is the Greek word "Therapeuo". This is most often seen as the word "heal" and is used in reference to the healing of others. In the NT it is seen in every case of Jesus' healings. Interestingly enough it is the where we get our word therapy from.

"Proskeneuo" is another Greek form of the word worship. It is always used in the context of simply paying homage. This is seen clearly in 1 Cor 14:25.

"Sebazomai" is used only once in Romans 1:25 and is used int he sense of honoring religiously.

""Sebomai" is used in the sense of reverence and can be seen in Acts 16:14. We see this same word used in the sense of vain worship of God (Matt 15:9) Not all worship even directed at God is acceptable worship or correct.

Any act done in correct doctrine, (spirit and truth John 4:24) and for the Glory of God (reverence 12:28)

The teaching of the word of God was included in the worship of those in Acts 2:42-47. There can be found no where in scripture a division between the preaching of the word and "worship".
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[Brother Bob]

Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with Reverence and godly fear:
Here we see that worship must be :

1. Acceptable to God
2. Done with reverence and godly fear (which is redundant)
3. Done by the grace of God.

The word serve in this verse is the Greek word "Latreuo" which is a form of the word worship. In the NT this word is used as "serve"16 times, "worship" 3, " do the worship " 1, and "worshiper" 1.

Another form of the word "worship is the Greek word "Therapeuo". This is most often seen as the word "heal" and is used in reference to the healing of others. In the NT it is seen in every case of Jesus' healings. Interestingly enough it is the where we get our word therapy from.

"Proskeneuo" is another Greek form of the word worship. It is always used in the context of simply paying homage. This is seen clearly in 1 Cor 14:25.

"Sebazomai" is used only once in Romans 1:25 and is used int he sense of honoring religiously.

""Sebomai" is used in the sense of reverence and can be seen in Acts 16:14. We see this same word used in the sense of vain worship of God (Matt 15:9) Not all worship even directed at God is acceptable worship or correct.

Any act done in correct doctrine, (spirit and truth John 4:24) and for the Glory of God (reverence 12:28)

The teaching of the word of God was included in the worship of those in Acts 2:42-47. There can be found no where in scripture a division between the preaching of the word and "worship".
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Thanks.........

BBob,

 

[David Lamb]

I am sorry DHK; I did not realize you didn't know the meaning of worship. No wonder you have been taking the position you have took. Here I will try and help you.

BBob,

BBob, do you really think that DHK meant that he did not know what worship is? I thought he was just pointing to the need for making sure that we each know what the other means by a word that is part and parcel of a particular thread, but I could be wrong.

 

[Brother Bob]

BBob, do you really think that DHK meant that he did not know what worship is? I thought he was just pointing to the need for making sure that we each know what the other means by a word that is part and parcel of a particular thread, but I could be wrong.

No, I think DHK thought I did not know what the meaning of worship is, or was just insinuating it.

That sounds so nice and sweet Bob.
Now, back it up with Scripture. Where does the Bible teach what you are teaching.
What is "worship"
How is:
fearing God, worship?
keeping his commandments, worship?
dedicating one's life, worship?

What is worship, Bob?
First define it. Then answer the above questions.
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DHK

Where do you think I went wrong David Lamb?? Is there one of my answers of worship that you disagree with??? Read post #48 and tell me what I posted as "worshipping God", that is false, please.

Originally Posted by Revmitchell
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with Reverence and godly fear:
Here we see that worship must be :

1. Acceptable to God
2. Done with reverence and godly fear (which is redundant)
3. Done by the grace of God.

I defined it as requested by DHK; which automatically answered the rest of his question.


BBob,

 

[David Lamb]

No, I think DHK thought I did not know what the meaning of worship is, or was just insinuating it.

In that case, I am sorry for misunderstanding you.

Where do you think I went wrong David Lamb?? Is there one of my answers of worship that you disagree with???

I deliberately only quoted the part of your message I was actually replying to, the part where you wrote:

I am sorry DHK; I did not realize you didn't know the meaning of worship. No wonder you have been taking the position you have took. Here I will try and help you.


​

It turns out that I misunderstood those words anyway (see above). But I was not meaning to address what you call your "answers of worship", so I am not sure why you are saying I think they were wrong. I think I'll leave it there, before making a confused situation worse. I apologise once again for my misunderstandings.

 

[Brother Bob]

In that case, I am sorry for misunderstanding you.

I deliberately only quoted the part of your message I was actually replying to, the part where you wrote:

I am sorry DHK; I did not realize you didn't know the meaning of worship. No wonder you have been taking the position you have took. Here I will try and help you.

It turns out that I misunderstood those words anyway (see above). But I was not meaning to address what you call your "answers of worship", so I am not sure why you are saying I think they were wrong. I think I'll leave it there, before making a confused situation worse. I apologise once again for my misunderstandings.​

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No problem David Lamb; Please don't take my answer to you as hostile. I simply thought you had read the posts before and disagreed also, as did DHK;

This was DHK post to me about defining the word "worship".

That sounds so nice and sweet Bob.
Now, back it up with Scripture. Where does the Bible teach what you are teaching.
What is "worship"
How is:
fearing God, worship?
keeping his commandments, worship?
dedicating one's life, worship?

What is worship, Bob?
First define it. Then answer the above questions.
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DHK

1. fearing God, worship?
Answer:
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with Reverence and godly fear:

2. Keeping his commandments, worship?

Answer:
Love the Lord thy God and Him only shalt thou serve.
Mar 10:19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
He that is guilty of one, is guilty of all.


3. Dedicating one's life, worship?

Answer:
Rom 12:1¶I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

So, you see why I believe them to be worshipping God???

BBob,

 

[DHK]

I am sorry DHK; I did not realize you didn't know the meaning of worship. No wonder you have been taking the position you have took. Here I will try and help you.

Main Entry: 1wor·ship Etymology: Middle English worshipe worthiness, respect, reverence paid to a divine being, from Old English weorthscipe worthiness, respect, from weorth worthy, worth + -scipe -ship Date: before 12th century 1chiefly British : a person of importance —used as a title for various officials (as magistrates and some mayors)

Thanks for the slam Bob. I am trying to lead an intelligent conversation, and am not asking for your condescending attacks of ignorance.
Now you can answer the rest of my question a little more intelligently"

Does keeping His commandments constitute worship?
In other words, how does "Do nor kill constitute worship""
"Do not commit adultery" constitute worship, etc.
Most of the commands are stated in a causuist form, such as this.

How does fearing God constitute worship?
The fear of God is the beginning of knowlege.
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
How does a reverential respect constitute giving worth and adoration of God. It doesn't. It may eventually lead to that. But in and of itself it does not. Having a fear of God is a state of mind. It is not worship. It is not adoration.

How is the diedication of one's life worship?
It isn't, but it could lead to worship.
It is a decision that one makes, that may or may not change their life, but it is not giving God His due worth.

The first definition you gave is the primary definition and is always to be used unless the context of the word dictates otherwise. The other definitions are minor. Use the major definition, the first one given.
--Giving reverence to God.
--worth + ship = Giving worth to God; God alone is worthy. He is worthy of our praise and adoration. That is worship.

Obviously you don't know what true worship is. We do not worship God in all things.

 

[Brother Bob]

Thanks for the slam Bob. I am trying to lead an intelligent conversation, and am not asking for your condescending attacks of ignorance.
Now you can answer the rest of my question a little more intelligently"

Does keeping His commandments constitute worship? You saying "Love the Lord thy God" is not worship?? If guilty in one, guilty in all, should take care of the other commandments you listed.

In other words, how does "Do nor kill constitute worship""
"Do not commit murder" constitute murder, etc.
Most of the commands are stated in a causuist form, such as this.

How does fearing God constitute worship? Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with Reverence and godly fear:


Should take care of the rest you listed here on fear.

The fear of God is the beginning of knowlege.
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
How does a reverential respect constitute giving worth and adoration of God. It doesn't. It may eventually lead to that. But in and of itself it does not. Having a fear of God is a state of mind. It is not worship. It is not adoration.

How is the diedication of one's life worship?
Rom 12:1¶I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

When I gave my life to the Lord, I sure was worshipping Him, don't know about you though??


It isn't, but it could lead to worship.
It is a decision that one makes, that may or may not change their life, but it is not giving God His due worth.

The first definition you gave is the primary definition and is always to be used unless the context of the word dictates otherwise. The other definitions are minor. Use the major definition, the first one given.
--Giving reverence to God.
--worth + ship = Giving worth to God; God alone is worthy. He is worthy of our praise and adoration. That is worship.

I not only gave definitions, I gave scripture to back them up. Seems to me that should be enough for even a child.

Obviously you don't know what true worship is. We do not worship God in all things.

So, you consider my remarks as a slam, but your are ok, hogwash.

This following is all slam from you to me. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Obviously you don't know what true worship is. We do not worship God in all things

That sounds so nice and sweet Bob.

Thanks for the slam Bob. I am trying to lead an intelligent conversation, and am not asking for your condescending attacks of ignorance.

Now you can answer the rest of my question a little more intelligently"


Seems to me I have answered everyone of your questions already, along with Rev Mitchell, who answered better than I did.

You can't just keep asking the same ole questions over and over.

1. fearing God, worship?
Answer:
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with Reverence and godly fear:

2. Keeping his commandments, worship?

Answer:
Love the Lord thy God and Him only shalt thou serve.
Mar 10:19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
He that is guilty of one, is guilty of all.


3. Dedicating one's life, worship?

Answer:
Rom 12:1¶I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

When you are wrong DHK, just admit it and move on, in other words when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.


BBob,

 

[DHK]

1. fearing God, worship?
Answer:
Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with Reverence and godly fear:

Worship is giving God his worth, adoration that is due to him and him alone. It is not receiving a kingdom which this verse speaks about. This has nothing to do with worship. It speaks of receiving a kingdom (though it be done WITH fear) is not fearing God nor is it worship. You missed the point entirely. I didn't ask about fearing God. I asked about worship. This verse doesn't speak about worship. It speaks about receiving a kingdom. There is no worship here.

2. Keeping his commandments, worship?

Answer:
Love the Lord thy God and Him only shalt thou serve.
Mar 10:19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
He that is guilty of one, is guilty of all.]

The statement was ALL his commandments. There is no worship in keeping his commands. There is no worship in what you have quoted. Simply serving God, doing your duty--being a janitor, etc. is not worship. Worship is giving God his worth, giving him adoration that is due to HIm and Him alone. It is not service. It is not the keeping of his commandments. You have a wrong view of worshiip

3. Dedicating one's life, worship?

Answer:
Rom 12:1¶I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

BBob

Presenting your body as a sacrifice is not worship.
Giving God his worth; his adoration that is due only to Him is worship.
You fail in each case Bob. You show your lack of understanding in what true worship is.