Where's the line?

[J. Jump]

Ah we get the old dodging the question tactic already

Please show me a passage of Scripture that says death is the cure all for a Christian that dies in unrepentant sin and then we'll move forward.

By the way I don't think there is a verse of Scripture that indicates that God punishes His children after death. I think God will continue to discipline His children after that point, but not punish them.

I don't believe you can find a post where I said that God will punish His children. If I did I apologize, because I don't believe that to be the case.

And how am I incorrect about purgatory? I never said anything that contradicts your definition of purgatory. All I said was that it is a false teaching that probably was spun off of a correct teaching. And you are right I could be incorrect about that, but I never defined what purgatory is or is not.

So I'll await your Scripture reference so we can continue . . .

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by J. Jump:
That's what I don't understand. Most Christians, or at least a good number of Christians, will say that if a person is walking in sin that is unconfessed that that believer's fellowship with God is hindered if not cut off.

But what amazes me is most Christians believe that if a person dies in that unconfessed sin they think there is something magical about death that just does away with that sin and the fellowship is automatically restored because the person dies.

When just thinking about that it doesn't make a lot of sense. If a person's fellowship with the Lord is in disaray now death is not the cure all. That relationship still has to be dealt with.

There are some that allow discipline in their lives in the hear and now, and they allow God to mold them and shape them. But unfortunately there are others that have no desire to be molded or shaped and they will have to go through that process during the 1,000 years so that once eternity begins they are not going to mess everything up for everyone else.

Heh! Sport, you are the one who made the initial claim that God disciplines those who die with unconfessed sin. The burden is on you to provide Scriptural proof.

 

[James_Newman]

Hebrews 9:27
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
1 Corinthians 11:32
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

 

[J. Jump]

OR, I did make that claim, but you nor anyone else asked for Scriptural examples, and we can get to that point.

But what you failed to notice is within the very first part of that message I talked about other people's views (and by the sounds of it you are one of those people) of how death is a magical cure all.

That's the part that I don't understand. You seem to believe it so I asked you to provide Biblical evidence. So please provide your Biblical evidence that death is the cure for an ill-standing relationship with God. We'll discuss it and then we can move on to what I have stated.

But let's deal with first things first and then move on. Again awaiting your Scriptural evidence so we can continue.

 

[DeafPosttrib]

James,

Hebrews chapter 12 have do nothing with millennial, and it doesn't give us of a hint that it is talking about the purgatory. That chapter talks about God is discipling us in our lifetime.

1 Cor. 11:32 doesn't saying anything about millennial, because 'a thousand years' is not mentioned there. Verse 32 tells us, when we are judged, we are chastned of the Lord, that we should not be condemned(judged) with the world. First we must examine ourselves with spirit, to make sure that we are right with God, so, we shall not be condemned with the world. Paul tells us, many of us are fall and sleep- spiritually death because of unconfess of sins, so, therefore, many of us shall be judged with the world according to Matt. 24:51. Unfaithful servants shall be cast away with hypocrites in the outer darkness. Outer darkness is a clearly eternality punishment separated from God, not temporary.

Later I will discuss more about exclusion millennial doctrine. Many things that I do not agree with exclusion millennial, because these are man-made doctrinea and lot of guessworks conflict with God's Word. I will discuss on these more later this week.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[James_Newman]

Of course Hebrews 12 is referencing chastening in this life. That was never the question. I want to know why you believe God can chasten us in this life for sin, even though all our sin is covered by the blood, but for some reason He can't do it in the next.

 

[Lobo]

New membe here. I will just state my position without verses (too many). Is there a confusion between penalty and chastisment? Jesus paid the penalty for our sin so we no longer have to. As children of God we are chastised but not condemned. In this life we have the opportunity, after salvation, to earn rewards. We also may lose those rewards. If we are out of God's will at the time of death we have lost some or all of our rewards. There's no second chance. There is no chastisement after death unless you count loss of reward as chastisement. Those who sin the sin unto death recieve death as their punishment. There's no more chastisement for things done in this life.
Praise the Lord.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by J. Jump:
OR, I did make that claim, but you nor anyone else asked for Scriptural examples, and we can get to that point.

But what you failed to notice is within the very first part of that message I talked about other people's views (and by the sounds of it you are one of those people) of how death is a magical cure all.

That's the part that I don't understand. You seem to believe it so I asked you to provide Biblical evidence. So please provide your Biblical evidence that death is the cure for an ill-standing relationship with God. We'll discuss it and then we can move on to what I have stated.

But let's deal with first things first and then move on. Again awaiting your Scriptural evidence so we can continue.

If we are going to deal with first things first then reread your first sentence in this post.

OR, I did make that claim, but you nor anyone else asked for Scriptural examples, and we can get to that point.

 

[J. Jump]

OR, This will be my last post to you unless you want to provide Scriptural evidence to back your statement. I did make that claim, but it was at the END of my original post. I dealt first with a non-understanding of people that believe as you seem to believe in that death is a cure all for a Christian walking in sin. If you are so confident that belief structure is what the Bible suggests then please just provide some Scriptural evidence.

Lobo just humor us and share a few verses that suggest that there is no discipline after death.

 

[James_Newman]

Nice to meet you Lobo! I would have to disagree with some of the things you have written. I think you have stated exactly the position I was speaking of in the opening post, that there is no danger for a believer once they are dead. But is this a scriptural idea?

You said that the sinner who sins the sin unto death receives death as their punishment. But then, man can also 'punish' us with physical death. Jesus told us that we were not to fear man who can only destroy the body, but to fear God who can destroy both body and soul in hell.

The bible also teaches that all Christians will be rewarded. It just states that some rewards are good and some are bad.

Matthew 16:27
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

There will definitely be rewards at the judgment seat, but rewards are not always a good thing in the bible.

2 Timothy 4:14
14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:

Revelation 18:5-6
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

Deu 32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by J. Jump:
OR, This will be my last post to you unless you want to provide Scriptural evidence to back your statement. I did make that claim, but it was at the END of my original post. I dealt first with a non-understanding of people that believe as you seem to believe in that death is a cure all for a Christian walking in sin. If you are so confident that belief structure is what the Bible suggests then please just provide some Scriptural evidence.

Lobo just humor us and share a few verses that suggest that there is no discipline after death.