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Ephesian 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine... Brother Glen
Well as one of my Old Line Baptist preachers would say... Well brother that is all very interesting but when are you going to make up your mind?... Brother Glen
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Mikey
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I have made that clear that I am not. It appears that your premise is based in the false assumption that if you are not a cal you are arminian. I am neither.
Mikey
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no I read the statement of faith of Traditionalism and it fits nicely under Arminianism
Even the part about total depravity? How about "once saved, always saved"?
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Mikey
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http://connect316.net/the-statement/
from the above statement from the website given to me it is well within Arminianism. OSAS is not normal Arminian practice and more associated with Calvinism however it is still within the broad spectrum of Arminianism. Arminianism and Calvinism both include various differences under their broad traditions. its an umbrella term.
I did not see anything on total depravity in the statement.
Oh, it's in a different section:
Arminian fails since we disaffirm that our depravity requires a belief in total inability, and since we affirm the Perseverance of the Saints in a mandatory rather than negotiable manner, usually expressing it as “once saved, always saved.”
http://connect316.net/#1444245970455-4ce1bdbc-03ee
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Not really. It fits neither C or A. The major problem with it is the fact it is a compromise position that is impossible to defend. It sounds good, but gets cut down quickly in debate. You either have to be C or A. If you try to land in the middle, you get squished.
It is my understanding that the original Arminianism of the Remonstrants affirmed depravity and were undecided about the possibility of falling from grace. There are later variations of Arminianism that refine these points (e.g. Wesleyan Arminianism that fully embraces falling from grace, or the type found among the Campbellites that jettisons depravity). As for me, I confine my use of Arminian in relation to those who embrace the possibility of falling from grace (but that's just me).
http://evangelicalarminians.org/critique-on-the-articles-of-remonstrance/
On the poll, I chose "Other Baptist."
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Arminianism believes in total depravity. It believes that man is so weak, infirm, bruised, and crushed by the fall that God must awaken mans desire to find him.
Classical Arminianism leans toward Eternal security, but stops short of fully embracing it due to scripture not being clear enough on the matter. You can be a Classical Arminian and hold to O.S.A.S.
Dave G
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Having been raised in "Traditionalism" and based on the charts that I've read, I believe that 4 of the 5 points of what is known as modern, or traditional "Arminianism", are believed by "Traditionalists".
https://graceonlinelibrary.org/refo...sm/calvinism-vs-arminianism-comparison-chart/
http://so4j.com/calvinism-vs-arminianism-compare
https://www.scribd.com/document/154136411/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism-Comparison-Chart
https://lawgraceperspective.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/calvinism-vs-arminianism-comparison-chart/
https://carm.org/calvinism-arminianism-comparison-grid
http://evangelicalarminians.org/an-outline-of-the-facts-of-arminianism-vs-the-tulip-of-calvinism/
https://www.fivesolas.com/cal_arm.htm
However, I have to agree with Reynolds on this one.
To me, classical "Arminianism" is a bit different than modern "Arminianism"...here is the chart from the Synod of Dordt:
https://www.theopedia.com/five-articles-of-remonstrance
http://www.crivoice.org/creedremonstrants.html
As for myself, I chose both "Calvinist" ( because that is what a "non-Calvinist" would call me ), and "Other Baptist", since the closest denominations I would fit into are "Particular Baptist", "Sovereign Grace Baptist" or "Hardshell" / "Old Line" Baptist.
I believe that denominations are not of God, but are of men.
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What part of Classical Arminianism do you disagree with?
How are you defining "Classical" Arminianism? The 1610 Remonstrance? I find article 3 interesting. It states that that one cannot come to have saving faith unless he is "born again" first. So the 1610 supports regeneration before faith.
But you are correct about eternal secuirty, if the 1610 is "classical" arminianism
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Unfortunately the Wesleyan Arminism won out and most today believe you can lose your salvation.
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