Which Came First?

[richard n koustas]

What about it? I am not sure what the question is so I am not sure how to answer.

Amy, I thought your answer was right, and was saying the same thing I said. Perhaps I misunderstood you.

1 Cor 7:15 means that an unsaved spouse and the children receives some blessing from God by virtue of their saved spouse. It is not salvation, and it is not post salvation growth.

so, how many different sanctifications are there?

 

[Pastor Larry]

I can think of several right off:

1 Peter 1:2; 2 Thess 2:13 -- sanctification to salvation
1 Cor 7:15 -- experience of the grace of God by an unbeliever through the obedience of a believer
Heb 12:14; 1 Thess 4:3, etc. -- Spiritual growth after salvation
1 Tim 4:5 -- Setting apart of food
Luke 11:2 -- the name of God

The word group hagiazo simply means to "set apart." We have to look at the context to see what was set apart and what it was set apart for.

 

[skypair]

I can think of several right off:

1 Peter 1:2; 2 Thess 2:13 -- sanctification to salvation
1 Cor 7:15 -- experience of the grace of God by an unbeliever through the obedience of a believer
Heb 12:14; 1 Thess 4:3, etc. -- Spiritual growth after salvation
1 Tim 4:5 -- Setting apart of food
Luke 11:2 -- the name of God

The word group hagiazo simply means to "set apart." We have to look at the context to see what was set apart and what it was set apart for.

They all sound like "growth in grace" to me. We even eat food and grow in the grace of God. These all seem to be setting apart for growth in grace, no? Even the infant is "grows in grace" by having a believing parent. The vessels of the temple were for the Jews to grow in grace.

skypair

 

[Pastor Larry]

They all sound like "growth in grace" to me. We even eat food and grow in the grace of God. These all seem to be setting apart for growth in grace, no? Even the infant is "grows in grace" by having a believing parent. The vessels of the temple were for the Jews to grow in grace.

Um, I don't think I would characterize it that way. An infant, or an unbelieving spouse, is not growing in grace. They are receiving blessings from God through their association with a believer.

But even if so, they are still not experiencing "post salvation growth" which is generally what people think of when they think of sanctification.

 

[skypair]

Um, I don't think I would characterize it that way. An infant, or an unbelieving spouse, is not growing in grace. They are receiving blessings from God through their association with a believer.

"Secondary grace" so to speak. Children DO learn about Jesus and there is greater likelihood that they will believe. Even so with the spouse, right?

But even if so, they are still not experiencing "post salvation growth" which is generally what people think of when they think of sanctification.

This is true, for sure. :thumbs:

skypair

 

[Pastor Larry]

"Secondary grace" so to speak.

I wouldn't use that terminology.

Children DO learn about Jesus and there is greater likelihood that they will believe. Even so with the spouse, right?

Greater in what sense? The Bible teaches that the elect will believe, whether they have believing parents or spouses or not.

 

[tinytim]

Ok, I'll play nice.

There is a justified spouse and a sanctified spouse. Justification must come first for one spouse, then the other is sanctified because of it.

Sancitified, meaning they are "put aside" by God and receive certain blessings because of the justified spouse. Much like Egypt was blessed when Abraham was living there.

Of course, there is always the chance that I could be wrong. :tongue3:

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