I hold with eternal rewards and forfeit of them based upon our good works or lack of them, but that is NOT the same as saying we are saved by a combo package of faith and good works though!
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Which denomination do you consider the second best after your own?
- Thread starter Lucian Hodoboc
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We don’t disagree about the primary role that faith plays. Following Paul, the Catholic Church teaches that justification comes by faith. Only it says that it doesn’t come through faith alone. The bible specifically denies 'fath alone. If you look carefully at Paul’s writings, you will notice that he never says that our righteousness comes from faith alone—only that it comes from faith apart from works
Please provide scriptural references for your position after considering the following:
Rom 3:21 KJV - But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 KJV - Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:25 KJV - Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
No conflict with my post. You are saying these verses infer that salvation is through 'faith alone' where the only mention in scripture of 'faith alone' is a DENIAL of it. Do you just ignore that scripture? Again,
we don’t disagree about the primary role that faith plays. Following Paul, the Catholic Church teaches that justification comes by faith. Only it says that it doesn’t come through faith alone. If you look carefully at Paul’s writings, you will notice that he never says that our righteousness comes from faith alone—only that it comes from faith apart from works
While I would have no problem worshiping with them, I think I've diverged too much to ever join one of their congregations.
I'd have my things to work through as well (but I do with my own denomination also). If we meshed Anabaptist theology with Southern Baptist Theology....depending on what was mashed out....it'd be great.
I actually have less an issue with Anabaptist theology than I do with Evangelical Baptist theology, but there just isn't much opportunity where I live....and much of their newer theologies go (IMHO) more than a bit too far.
OfLivingWaters
Active Member
QUESTIONS TO ANYONE : What is it all about? What is the end game for Christ in your opinion? Is it a bunch of denominations with conflicting views which could and do confuse any one person seeking to understand Christianity or is that satan's plan in your opinion? And in the end , what do you think Christ is going to do about it?
Starting from the 1st organized denomination (outside of the first church) do you think your denomination is sister to the first, please explain.....
Starting from the 1st organized denomination (outside of the first church) do you think your denomination is sister to the first, please explain.....
I believe all churches of Christ are related to that first church formed in Jerusalem because of the One to whom they belong/ belonged. The question is what comprises a true church - (denominations are not churches).
Most Mennonite churches iin our region are 'gay affirming'.
OfLivingWaters
Active Member
Oh ok. What do you think comprises that, and what church do you belong to and what denominational doctrines influence you?
Is that better?
I guess better....I didn't see anything wrong with the way you asked.
In short, I believe a church is a local assembly of believers (biblically no church exists beyond the local assembly).
I am a member of a Baptist church that is a member of the Southern Baptist Convention (the church chooses to participate in the SBC).
It is difficult to determine what influences evangelical Baptist doctrine may have in the way I see things. I am not sure we can always identify these things as they become presuppositions we take for granted.
I grew up affirming Penal Substitution Theory (I don't now). I think you could say that the SBC doctrine of "Once Saved Always Saved" influenced my view (I still believe in the eternal security of the believer but have now actually worked that out through prayer and Scripture).
I tend to think in terms of pre-mil pre-trib. This is something I have learned through denominational influences rather than through Scripture.
The same is true of the nature of baptism and the Lord's Supper. The SBC focuses on these as symbolic. While I believe this too superficial, I also find myself often thinking in those terms.
One of the most damaging influences of my denomination is the tendency to spiritualize. The focus is too often on the "Kingdom to come" at the expense of the kingdom that is here....now. Sometimes I see this influence in my thinking.
Anyway, those are a few thoughts. I hope I answered your post adequately.
Most around my area (I'm in SC-GA area) don't. They typically affirm a version of the confession of faith adopted by Mennonite General Conference in 1963. But the churches are few and far between.
Yeah. The big one up in Raleigh is the same.
I did see one way out in the woods while I was riding some time back. Looked like the Mennonite churches back home in western MD. Two gals wearing psuedo-plain dress with head coverings watching a crowd of kids. I looked them up, seemed like they were a fairly recent plant.
I still can't square what I witnessed for over ten years at Meadow Mountain Mennonite Church with what I see at the national level.
Paul stated plainly that we cannot add anything to receiving Jesus as Lord thru faith, as its not grace thru sacraments, thru alms giving, thru enough good works etc!
Jesus Saves!
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Consider these verses:
Romans 4:20-25 KJVS
[20] He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; [21] And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. [22] And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. [23] Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; [24] But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; [25] Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
We are complete by faith in Christ. He did the work for our justification according to scripture.
Romans 4:20-25 KJVS
[20] He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; [21] And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. [22] And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. [23] Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; [24] But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; [25] Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
We are complete by faith in Christ. He did the work for our justification according to scripture.
Felipe Rios
Member
Southern BaptistThe thread title is self-explanatory: which Christian denomination do you consider to hold the most truth, second only to the one you belong to? If you weren't a (insert the label that defines you denominationally here), what do you think you'd be? You're welcomed to bring arguments to support your answer.
Dave G
Well-Known Member
I'm no longer denominational in my thinking ( that I know of ), but I may be wrong.
I was called by the Gospel of God's grace to me in an Independent, Fundamental Baptist church in 1978.
For over 25 years I attended these types of churches and agreed with most of what was taught and preached...that is, until a friend suggested that I read 3 passages of Scripture:
Romans 8:28-30
Ephesians 1:4-5
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14.
Since then, my understanding of God's word would place me, denominationally, in what are nowadays called "Primitive Baptist" or "Sovereign Grace Baptist" churches, with possible secondaries of "Reformed Baptist" and Old Line "Missionary Baptist" churches.
In a broad sense, I am "Particular Baptist" in my beliefs, and in a fine sense I am "Primitive Baptist", except for viewing foot washing as a symbol of personal, brotherly servitude and not in the literal sense.
Putting on a suit and tie to visit with my brothers and sisters seems a bit much, as well.
Finally, I would also have no trouble having fellowship with groups that hold to the same beliefs and doctrines that I do, and do not call themselves "Baptists"...like George Mueller's "brethren" in Bristol, England during the 1800's.
May God bless you richly, good sir.
Steve Allen
Member
Not really. I was baptized Eastern-Orthodox, but I don't really know if I completely adhere to the Eastern-Orthodox doctrine. I guess I'm Eastern-Orthodox, but with some nondenominational views.
Come home to the Faith of the Apostles!