Which do you trust, God or science?

Ed,
Do I take this to mean that you believe that evolution is a possible way that God created man?

Old Earth is one thing, but evolution is definitely another. There is certainly more scientific evidence for old earth than there is for evolution.

Please explain your position.

 

Why are the evolutionists ignoring my paradox?

I will repeat it for the fifth time:

A) If you believe in an omnipotent God, then you must place the supernatural variables into the creation (at least as a possibility). Ignoring it makes for bad science, if you believe in your heart that God exists and is all powerful.

B) You do not believe in an omnipotent God and therefore everything has to be naturalistic, so therefore science without supernatural variables is good science. (to you)

These are the only two choices you have.

BenFranklin, I asked you for your beliefs, are you not going to print them?

I want to know what you believe about Adam and Eve and I want to know what you believe about the New Testament, Jesus' virgin birth and the miracles and is He the true Son of God?

Understanding where you are coming from helps those who debate you know which way you are headed. Since these debates are to get to the bottom of a subject, rather than just win to be winning, I think it we should be open with each other about where we are headed with our posts.

What about it Ben Franklin?

 

Phillip: "Ed,
Do I take this to mean that you believe
that evolution is a possible way that God created man?"

I'm glad you asked. I didn't say what i believed
about evolution. I was dicussing the topic of
this Topic which is: " Which do you trust, God or science?"

I trust God more than Science.
What i was saying was that
i trust God more than i trust what other people
tell me about God.

BTW, i got kicked off several boards and a
forum or two here because some people cannot tell
the difference against speaking against
the false Doctrine of Ignorance and speaking
for Evolution. I am always against religious justification
of ignorance especially dogmatic religious
justification of ignorance.
I am always against evolution.
"Science" is not "evolution" -- get the two straight.
Self-apointed spokespersons for God are
not the same as God.

So just to confound the dogmatic stupid:
I trust Science more than i trust Evolution.
I trust Evolution more than i trust those
who make up religious dogma to justify their
ignorance.

 

Thank you very much Ed. You had me worried for a moment there.

Let me also clarify my paradox a bit. Since scientists have evidence that they do interpret as pointing toward evolution of the species; I am simply pointing out that the variable of the supernatural (Omnipotent God) is a missing component in their studies. It is true that "naturalistic" science will not allow for the use of supernatural variables.

In my opinion; however, if a scientist is to be a Christian then he/she MUST consider the possibility of a supernatural variable to provide some of the physical evidence.

I am NOT saying that it is necessary and I am not limiting God to the capability of using natural techniques (although I don't believe he did), but for the purpose of SCIENCE, a Christian science MUST put variables in that He in His heart believes to be true or he is following himself by disallowing such variables to be considered.

That's all. Make sense?

 

No. I believe that you need to read a few books on the philosophy of science. If you will do that, you will find that your “paradox” is in reality a misunderstanding on your part.

 

Did you mean "Parodox", Craig? I have no parodox! The Bible is quite clear and doesn't contract itself about the formation of this world and the creation of man.

 

No.

What is a "Parodox"?

He who knows he who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool, shun him;
He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is a child, teach him.
He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep, wake him.
He who knows, and knows that he knows, is wise, follow him.

(An Old Persian Proverb)

 

I was trying to make a point. (Parody, Parodox) The account of creation is not a paradox nor a conundrum! There is no contradiction. The Biblical answers given, are quite clear.

Why would I care about a Persian fable?
You trust a Science book and mere man for your information and I trust my Father, God.

 

"Why would I care about a Persian fable?
You trust a Science book and mere man for your information and I trust my Father, God."

Well, there is no arguing with God. But Diane, you will have to admit that there is often substantial disagreement, even among christians, as to what God is saying. If you can show that everyone agrees with you about what God said or wants, then everyone should naturally follow your interpretation. But we know that it is not so, don't we?

 

BenFranklin, Christian's should NOT twist God's word and / or DOUBT God's word! Genesis is not a fable or allegory. To doubt one word of the Bible is to doubt it all! I cannot understand how a Christian can be an evolutionist. Where is their faith?

 

1 Tim. 2:11. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.
12. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
13. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
14. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. (NASB, 1995)

Some parts of the Bible are not clear to some people, and apparently these four verses have escaped Diane’s understanding . Perhaps she doesn’t understand Genesis 1 – 11 any better than she understands 1 Tim. 2:11. – 14.

 

There is a great deal of difference between presumption and faith. There is also a great deal of difference between twisting and distorting what your opponents in a debate are saying, and presenting evidence that their arguments are invalid.

 

True science is the search for the truth. God is Truth.

Unfortunately a large number of "scientists" have deluded themself by the false perception of their own knowledge and superior intellect and, therefore, blasphemously deny the revealed Truths of God.

 

Here is a paradox for you.


TWO DACHSHOUNDS!



In HIS service;
Jim

 

Do you all suppose that it is just a coincidence that those are the most critical of scientists are the very people who have the least amount of formal education in biology, geology and astrophysics? The logical conclusion is that the more one knows about science, the more respect they will have of it. And indeed, that is exactly what we find.

Do you all suppose that it is just a coincidence that those who are the most critical of learned and educated views of Genesis are the very people who have the least amount of formal education in Biblical exegesis and hermeneutics? The logical conclusion is that the more one knows about Genesis, the more respect they will have for the learned and educated views of it. And indeed, that is exactly what we find.

I do NOT believe that willful ignorance of the truth is faith. Indeed, it is not faith, but presumption. And presumption is sin. Those who presume to say that their woefully and willfully ignorant personal interpretations of the Scriptures are the Word of God are guilty of discarding into the trash the Word of God and worshiping the interpretations of mortal and sinful men.

Those of you who claim to believe in God and his word but in reality believe in your own ignorance are seeing before your very eyes the consequences, and lest you repent, you shall continue to see the consequences.

 

^^^

May we bow to the almighty Craig-by-the-Sea in his all-knowing abundance of knowledge.... Unless we repent, is Craig gonna have his 'god' zap us? Pleeeeze!

Uh, show me that those who hold to creationism are 'uneducated' in theology or the sciences. My stepfather holds a Master's degree in microbiology and is a creationist; he was an evolutionist until he came to know the Lord. My college professor had two doctorates in different sciences, both from secular state universities, and is a creationist. I was in seminary and had professors with Doctorates from both secular and Christian educational schools, and they were able to handle the Word well.

What kind of education do you possess, Craig? For all we know, you could be some high school dropout who hasn't left his mother's house in years and still hasn't got a job.

 

AMEN Bro.LRL..that'll PREACH!

I myself(since I got SAVED) have always believed that the account of creation as given in Genesis is ample evidence of God's omnipotence.He SPOKE...and what He said became a physical FACT,ie.,earth,heavens,waters,sun,moon,plants,all manner of creeping crawling things,animals,fish and other aqautic creatures....and oh yes...man and woman...yes...I think that about covers it.Thank God He doesn't depend on the ever-changing theories of fallible men for His creative OR redemptive work.We must simply bow in His presense with thankful,humble hearts.

Proverbs 9:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom:and the knowledge of the holy is understanding."

Greg Sr.

 

I did not say that there are no exceptions. I would, however, like to know the name of the college professor who had two doctorates in different sciences, which sciences he had the degrees in, where he earned the degrees, the subjects of his theses, and the name of the college where he was a professor. Almost always when I check out claims like this I find them to be either false or greatly exaggerated. In another thread I posted specific examples of my findings.

I have already posted twice in other threads that I flunked out of the second grade. Are you trying to prove that I can't count to three? Here is proof that I can do even better than that:

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I got thrown out of the house when I was 13, joined the Navy, was granted a commission, became a pilot, got transferred to NASA, became an astronaut, got Lost in Space for a few years, got rescued, and became a member of the Baptist Board.

If there is anything else that you would like to know, don’t hesitate to ask.

 

God gave an explaination in the scriptures as to how the world and life came to be. Darwin repented of his theories before his death knowing they were unfounded. So far as I have seen, science not theories have agreed that the biblical account has merit. Nothing has been disproved as far as creation is concerned.

We do have a God that cannot lie and certain things we have to take on faith.

 

Posted by Craigbythesea: became an astronaut, got Lost in Space for a few years, got rescued, and became a member of the Baptist Board.

That explains a few things. Ha Ha