Which is the best result? Redeemed sinners, or perfect men?

God was not ultimately glorified by the fall?
Christ didn't seem to agree with you.

Jhn 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

He also disagreed with you Icthus regarding his betrayal:

Jhn 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

The ultimate result of the fall was salvation- and that is how God was glorified by the fall. With no fall there would be no redemption. What I propose to you is that (Biblically speaking) there was MORE glory rendered to God by the death of Christ than there would have been without the fall and redemption. Christ's death was the most glorious thing that could have ever possibly happened in all the possible human histories man could or could not entertain in his mind.

Could God get this glory without the fall of man?

Gen 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

I do not claim God is 'delighted' by sending people to hell- but he is surely satisfied in His righteous justice. Shall not God do right at all times? Your Calvinism strawman just keeps taking a beating, but what are you really trying to say? I'm still not sure I understand the thesis here.

 

congradulations are in order! I assume you are done posting in this thread then?

 

it happens a lot believe it or not. i usually find myself in a different ballpark mentally. or 'head vacation' as some call it. lol. my dad told my grandma tonight that my fiancee must be 'retarded!'

 

dunno