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which is the best translation between the KJV and the Niv 2011?
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Thread Title: which is the best translation between the KJV and the Niv 2011?
Why do you start these types of one or two sentence threads over and over again? You know, as well as I do, these are simply a means to give yet another opportuntity to rehash what had been rehashed to death. Don't believe me? Use this site's search engine, as well as Google/Yahoo to dig out the archives that go back to before/after the year 2000.
Instead, why not state your case for what you believe and include specifics with regards to exactly which source documents that you deem to be most accurate. If you are not fluent in the "original" (a term you use frequently) language -- at the time it was spoken! -- exactly which translators have earned your respect? Why?
How does continuing to poke and prod at this issue, in this manner, bring glory to God?
Sometimes as I read these threads, I wish that after hitting the submit reply button, the poster (self incuded) could look up from his keyboard and into the face of our Saviour. What would you, I and others see there? Would we see a smile or see His tears at what we are doing to His word, to The Word, to HIM.
Sigh..............................
:tear:Thread Title: which is the best translation between the KJV and the Niv 2011?
Why do you start these types of one or two sentence threads over and over again? You know, as well as I do, these are simply a means to give yet another opportuntity to rehash what had been rehashed to death. Don't believe me? Use this site's search engine, as well as Google/Yahoo to dig out the archives that go back to before/after the year 2000.
Instead, why not state your case for what you believe and include specifics with regards to exactly which source documents that you deem to be most accurate. If you are not fluent in the "original" (a term you use frequently) language -- at the time it was spoken! -- exactly which translators have earned your respect? Why?
How does continuing to poke and prod at this issue, in this manner, bring glory to God?
Sometimes as I read these threads, I wish that after hitting the submit reply button, the poster (self incuded) could look up from his keyboard and into the face of our Saviour. What would you, I and others see there? Would we see a smile or see His tears at what we are doing to His word, to The Word, to HIM.
Sigh..............................
I might surprise you in answering this way, bu think that for serious study of the Bible, the kjv woulod be the better choice between these 2, as think it reflects closer to what was actually originally written!
Despite having an inferior textual basis!
I have told you before to study,read,research before posting. And repent as well.
i have, and happen to hold that the Kjv, while indeed based off inferior Greek source texts, had a better transation theory behind it, and is a better rendering to use for serious study of the bible, assuming one can understand it!
I still hold the Nasb as best for that among English versions, but would also use either NKJV/Kjv if need be!
You have not read,researched and studied. And you certainly have not repented for your false statements. You haven't even tried to come up with anything remotely resembling a defence or proof for your uninformed falsehoods.
Are you basing that due to the source texts used, or actual translation made?
As do think the kjv despite its flaws, rendered more times what what actually being said, not trying to interprete what was said!
Well read them side by side and decide for yourself.
I have no knowledge on the new NIV. From what I have heard from reliable sources I will avoid it.
I am currently using an ESV along side my NIV and KJV.
From what I understand the ESV was taken from the same source materials as the KJV.
I have no knowledge on the new NIV. From what I have heard from reliable sources I will avoid it.
I am currently using an ESV along side my NIV and KJV.
From what I understand the ESV was taken from the same source materials as the KJV.
NOT my beloved kjv though!
read my various postings, i have ALWAYS stated hold to the critical source basis as superior, and that am Nasb preferred, but do see the kjv , even with known faults, superior to Niv for serious bible study, due to the theory behind the translation process!
Just want to chime in here with Mactx, the best bible is the one you read. The NIV with all its considerable faults is read by today's church goers, and is understandable and liked.
The KJV does indeed present some verses closer to the original source text than the NIV, but the NIV does not do a wholesale job of butchering the underlying idea. And in other verses, the NIV comes closer than the KJV.
Bottom line, better to read a KJV than no bible, and better to read a NIV than no bible. And of course if you are going to change bibles consider the NASB95 or the WEB or the NET or the HCSB or the NKJV.
The KJV does indeed present some verses closer to the original source text than the NIV, but the NIV does not do a wholesale job of butchering the underlying idea. And in other verses, the NIV comes closer than the KJV.
Bottom line, better to read a KJV than no bible, and better to read a NIV than no bible. And of course if you are going to change bibles consider the NASB95 or the WEB or the NET or the HCSB or the NKJV.
And what,pray tell, do you believe is the theory behind the NIV? Please support with facts,not your wild,reckless normal way of conduct.
Your "reliable" sources are suspect.
Absolutely not. On the other hand the ESV uses about the same source texts as the NIV. Have you ever heard of the Received Text;sometimes also known as the TR?
Why? Because they disagree with you?
Honestly things you say carry little weight with me because of the irrationally confrontational method in which you speak.
I see no reason for the 1984 NIV to have been improved upon. So I will continue using it.
I have heard of it.
As I said, study them side by side and use the one you are most able to understand.
Why? Is it perfect? :wavey:
You prefer to take the word of others even though you have no personal knowledge of the 2011 NIV. Gottcha'.
You claim to have heard of the TR. Yet there seems to be a disconnect in your mind. In your mistaken view the ESV and KJV were based on the same texts. Whereas in reality the KJV was based on the TR;and the ESV is based upon the CT.
I suppose the side-by-side remark was meant to imply a comparison between the KJV and NIV? Or is it the ESV and NIV? Or is it some other combination?
You are correct! the esv was/is based upon the same critical source texts used by Niv/Nasb etc!
And just saying that there are indeed reliable 'experts' who would dispute your contention that either the 2005/2011 revisions 'improved" the 1984 niv!
baptistbulletin.org/?p=18062
Evaluating the New International Version 2011
An in-depth look at the updated translation
Rodney J. Decker September 2, 2011
that article would be the reasons why for the Niv 2011, I just disagree that it bettered the Niv 1984, as do not buy into gender inclusive changes as prominent made by Niv 2011! Nor that english language/grammar changed enougfh to even warrent a revision!
"english language/grammar changed enoughfh to even warrent a revision!"
You better revise your spelling among other things before trying to make a point about the NIV's English.