Which of these seminaries would you consider?

[ChrisTheSaved]

Haydn, if I am correct, you have stated a number of times that you are strictly wanting the information and could careless about the degree. If that is the case any of those would do well. Andersonville would be inexpensive and (from what I know about them) is strongly KJV Only. I have a friend who went to Southwest Bible College and said it did what he needed, but I do not know anything else about it. I am considering LBU to work on a Ph.D. I have another friend that went here and really enjoyed his time of study.
Understand that none of these three are accredited and many will look down on the education you get from these schools. If all you are wanting is the information, then it really doesn't matter - does it. The reason I am considering LBU is two-fold: I have an accredited Masters of Arts from one of the six SBC schools and it was not as challenging as I thought it would be. In fact, except for 3 or 4 classes, the rest were "read this book and take an open book test" easy. Also I do not have the money to continue at an accredited school. Therefore, I am going to learn from anywhere I can learn. There is also a site a friend of mine told me about that offers free training, if you would like to check it out... BiblicalTraing.org

Stop pushing mills and unaccredited degrees on people. Its the worst advice you can give. Nowadays there are accredited degree programs cheaper than LBU and Andersonville (psst...both are mills)

p.s. if you just want to learn you can download most syllabi for free and merely purchase the books or go the library of the school you are an alumni with. LBU is a terrible choice for learning anyways...

 

[JohnDeereFan]

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[Son_of_a_Preacherman]

Stop pushing mills and unaccredited degrees on people. Its the worst advice you can give. Nowadays there are accredited degree programs cheaper than LBU and Andersonville (psst...both are mills)

Not "pushing" anything on anyone; just trying to answer a question.
I evidently do not have your expertise in this matter and would appreciate your assistance in enlightening me some on the matter. I always assumed that a "mill" is a place where you send in your money and they mail you back a diploma - without any work.I guess I am wrong. I am curious as to what constitutes a "diploma mill". It can't be just the fact that they refuse to seek government backed accreditation. Are there any non-accredited seminaries out there that would deem reputable?
I would be interested in a link to the accredited degree programs that are cheaper then ATS or LBU. I would love to check those out.
I sincerely thank you in advance for your time in answering these questions.

 

[Ziggy]

"I always assumed that a "mill" is a place where you send in your money and they mail you back a diploma - without any work. I guess I am wrong."

Usually they offer a modicum of "work" in order to look like more than a simple "pay and graduate" P.O. Box. But the amount and quality of the "work" required usually speaks for itself, if you ask anyone who tried going that route.

Real example to make the picture clear: someone took for credit at one of these questionable schools what purported to be a 3-semester-hour course in the Psalms. The sum total of the "work" he had to do was write an outline of three (3) Psalms. Nothing more.

 

[Rob_BW]

Not "pushing" anything on anyone; just trying to answer a question.
I evidently do not have your expertise in this matter and would appreciate your assistance in enlightening me some on the matter. I always assumed that a "mill" is a place where you send in your money and they mail you back a diploma - without any work.I guess I am wrong. I am curious as to what constitutes a "diploma mill". It can't be just the fact that they refuse to seek government backed accreditation. Are there any non-accredited seminaries out there that would deem reputable?
I would be interested in a link to the accredited degree programs that are cheaper then ATS or LBU. I would love to check those out.
I sincerely thank you in advance for your time in answering these questions.

Well, check out the syllabus from Andersonville's Evangelism course: http://www.knowimsaved.com/syllabus.pdf

And compare it to Liberty's EVAN 525 course: https://www.liberty.edu/media/3415/courseguides/EVAN525_Syllabus.pdf

Andersonville looks to be asking for maybe 1,000 words, Liberty is asking for well over 20 pages.

(In the interest of full disclosure, I have actually taken a previous version of EvAN 525 at Liberty. But my primary reason for grabbing their syllabus was the ease of searching their course guides online.)

 

[Son_of_a_Preacherman]

Well, check out the syllabus from Andersonville's Evangelism course: http://www.knowimsaved.com/syllabus.pdf

And compare it to Liberty's EVAN 525 course: https://www.liberty.edu/media/3415/courseguides/EVAN525_Syllabus.pdf

Andersonville looks to be asking for maybe 1,000 words, Liberty is asking for well over 20 pages.

(In the interest of full disclosure, I have actually taken a previous version of EvAN 525 at Liberty. But my primary reason for grabbing their syllabus was the ease of searching their course guides online.)

Rob, your syllabus from Liberty reminds me of mine from New Orleans. I loved my classes and I enjoyed my readings. Andersonville's does not measure up academically but I can see where their syllabus is practical.
Again, I may be showing my ignorance but if a young man can not afford to go to New Orleans, Liberty, or some other seminary that is accredited - wouldn't one of these be better than nothing at all? Or should we tell these young men to go in debt with student loans so they can get a degree that is accredited, when they can not afford it.
Maybe Chris will tell us about these "accredited degree programs cheaper than LBU and Andersonville" that we can refer them too. I am very interested in those.

 

[Rob_BW]

Rob, your syllabus from Liberty reminds me of mine from New Orleans. I loved my classes and I enjoyed my readings. Andersonville's does not measure up academically but I can see where their syllabus is practical.
Again, I may be showing my ignorance but if a young man can not afford to go to New Orleans, Liberty, or some other seminary that is accredited - wouldn't one of these be better than nothing at all? Or should we tell these young men to go in debt with student loans so they can get a degree that is accredited, when they can not afford it.
Maybe Chris will tell us about these "accredited degree programs cheaper than LBU and Andersonville" that we can refer them too. I am very interested in those.

Your phrase "better than nothing at all" seems to ignore both the stigma attached to some of these unaccredited, and the vast resources available today for self study (albeit with no shiny degree to hang on the wall).

If a man told me he had $2500 for education funds, and asked my opinion, I'd tell him to forget the Andersonville MDiv and spend it on 3 or 4 classes from an accredited school.

 

[TCassidy]

Maybe Chris will tell us about these "accredited degree programs cheaper than LBU and Andersonville" that we can refer them too. I am very interested in those.

Me too!

 

[TCassidy]

The first seminary I attended was unaccredited (now ATS accredited).

Even though it was known for academic rigor, sometimes transferring credits to an accredited school proved to be problematic.

There is a vast difference between an unaccredited but academically rigorous school and what is essentially a semi-degree mill.

For instance. A D.Min. at Andersonville requires:
12 Semester Hours

OTBB8947 Song of Solomon John Klink 3
NTBB8525 Galatians Jimmy Hayes 3
NTBB8538 I & II Thessalonians Jimmy Hayes 3
NTBB7870 Epistles of John J.L. Hayes 3

Theology 9 Semester Hours

THEO7330 Doctrine of Holy Spirit Gino Cascieri 3
THEO7340 Doctrine of Christ Gino Cascieri 3
THEO8100 New Testament Theology William Seay 3

Pastoral Ministry 9 Semester Hours

PCPM7100 Premarital Counseling Daniel Moore 3
PCPM7200 Counseling the Depressed C. Hayes 3
PCPM6300 Ministering to the Chronically & Terminally Ill Larry Hendrickson 3

As far as I know none of the instructors have an accredited doctoral degree.

The same degree at Logsdon Seminary (ATS accredited)

(Here is the brochure, read it for yourself. But note firstly that it is a 3 year program!)

Download the Doctor of Ministry Informational Brochure
http://www.logsdonseminary.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=7794

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

Me too!

Antioch School of Church Planting and Leadership Development - Degree Programs

NationsUniversity | Affordable, High Quality, Christian Education
$1000 a year for as many courses you can take.

Tuition and Fees | Rockbridge Seminary - Online
Diploma program tuition is $99/per hour or $297/course due at course registration

Tuition & Aid | Shiloh University
Barely more than LBU--perhaps cheaper if you add all of LBU's fees.

Tuition and Fees | Union University of California
Only $20 an hour more

I found tons of schools that are accredited that are just a little bit more.

 

[ChaplainDavid]

Hi yall,

So I am not in need of a RA seminary degree. I want to get a doctorate so that I can use it in my current ministry and maybe teach at some of the other online seminaries that are out there. I already hold 2 RA Masters degrees and an RA PhD so again, no worried about accreditation. UNISA is my first choice, but it is also going to be much harder to be accepted into that program. Which of these schools would you recommend? Why?

I have limited my choices down to:

Colorado Theological Seminary (Seminary Serving the Kingdom Since 1996)
Andersonville Theological (Andersonville Theological Seminary | Teach with Wisdom; Preach with Power)
Jacksonville Theological (Jacksonville Theological Seminary - Listen, Read, Be Educated, Be Equipped)
Trinity Seminary and College of the Bible (Trinity Bible College and Seminary)
Northwestern Theological Seminary (Online Seminary Accredited Degrees - Northwestern)
UNISA (University of South Africa)

Thanks in advance for any advice you can give.

Hello: I'm new to the Baptistboard and was also looking into reasonable schools, desiring self-paced due to my serving schedule. Apparently there are not many options in the self-paced arena.
Wondering what decision you made. While there have been some negative comments regarding Andersonville, my list of good things for me is noted below. These come either from their website, or email answers to my questions:
1. ATS holds to Dispensationalism and not Covenant/Reformed Theology

2. ATS believes in a distinction between Israel and the Church

3. ATS is Self-paced helping with current serving obligations

4. Andersonville is incredibly affordable

5. ATS holds to the inerrancy of the Scriptures.

6. ATS uses the KJV (Majority Text) like men’s shelter requires of me. KJV and NKJV are friendly to the Free Grace position

7. ATS holds that salvation is available to all, i.e., unlimited atonement

8. ATS teaches the Rapture of the Church prior to the coming Tribulation

9. ATS holds that believers will be judged at the Bema Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ for eternal rewards, salvation already having been secured.

10. ATS has contracted with a number of professors from Dallas Theological Seminary, Liberty University, and Luther Rice Seminary for the ATS graduate programs.

 

[Rob_BW]

Hello: I'm new to the Baptistboard and was also looking into reasonable schools, desiring self-paced due to my serving schedule. Apparently there are not many options in the self-paced arena.
Wondering what decision you made. While there have been some negative comments regarding Andersonville, my list of good things for me is noted below. These come either from their website, or email answers to my questions:
1. ATS holds to Dispensationalism and not Covenant/Reformed Theology

2. ATS believes in a distinction between Israel and the Church

3. ATS is Self-paced helping with current serving obligations

4. Andersonville is incredibly affordable

5. ATS holds to the inerrancy of the Scriptures.

6. ATS uses the KJV (Majority Text) like men’s shelter requires of me. KJV and NKJV are friendly to the Free Grace position

7. ATS holds that salvation is available to all, i.e., unlimited atonement

8. ATS teaches the Rapture of the Church prior to the coming Tribulation

9. ATS holds that believers will be judged at the Bema Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ for eternal rewards, salvation already having been secured.

10. ATS has contracted with a number of professors from Dallas Theological Seminary, Liberty University, and Luther Rice Seminary for the ATS graduate programs.

Welcome to the baptistboard. I imagine this thread will be shut down shortly ,since it's a little old. I'd recommend making an introduction in the intro forum, and asking questions about degree mills there or in a separate thread in the Seminaries forum.

 

[rlvaughn]

Welcome to the baptistboard. I imagine this thread will be shut down shortly, since it's a little old. I'd recommend making an introduction in the intro forum, and asking questions about degree mills there or in a separate thread in the Seminaries forum.

ChaplainDavid, I second Rob's post.

 

[Calminian]

Hi yall,

So I am not in need of a RA seminary degree. I want to get a doctorate so that I can use it in my current ministry and maybe teach at some of the other online seminaries that are out there. I already hold 2 RA Masters degrees and an RA PhD so again, no worried about accreditation. UNISA is my first choice, but it is also going to be much harder to be accepted into that program. Which of these schools would you recommend? Why?

I have limited my choices down to:

Colorado Theological Seminary (Seminary Serving the Kingdom Since 1996)
Andersonville Theological (Andersonville Theological Seminary | Teach with Wisdom; Preach with Power)
Jacksonville Theological (Jacksonville Theological Seminary - Listen, Read, Be Educated, Be Equipped)
Trinity Seminary and College of the Bible (Trinity Bible College and Seminary)
Northwestern Theological Seminary (Online Seminary Accredited Degrees - Northwestern)
UNISA (University of South Africa)

Thanks in advance for any advice you can give.

Whichever ones affirm young earth biblical creationism, and it appears none of the above do. If they get Genesis wrong, they likely get much else wrong. Unfortunately there are only about 20 nationwide, but many good choices.

You can view them here:
https://answersingenesis.org/colleges/seminaries/

 

[rsr]

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