Which Pastor would you choose?

[FriendofSpurgeon]

Though I agree with Spurgeon & Edwards, I'm not sure I would choose them for my church today.

Our church is Trinitarian, so TD Jakes is not an option.

I would leave if somehow Kenneth Copeland ever got in the door. He is scary.

Don't know much about the others except for Lucado & Warren. Though I really like Lucado's books, he is still CoC.

That leaves Warren.

 

[Marcia]

Our church is Trinitarian, so TD Jakes is not an option.

I would leave if somehow Kenneth Copeland ever got in the door. He is scary.

Thanks that someone said this! :thumbs:

Rachel, could you re-do the poll and leave off Jakes and Copeland? I would prefer to consider the poll without heretics Jakes and Copeland (Jakes denies the Trinity; Copeland says God has a body and other heresies).

Of course, I don't know if I could vote on styles since I don't really know the styles of most of these people. Still, it makes me cringe to see Jakes and Copeland listed with Christians.

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

You don't believe that Kenneth Copeland is a Christian???

 

[Baptist Believer]

You don't believe that Kenneth Copeland is a Christian???

He's a heretic and embraces a "gospel" that is popularly known as "Word of Faith". The Word of Faith teaching comes directly from the New Thought movement and has many things in common with Christian(sic) Science and Unity, among others. Kenneth Hagin blatantly plagarized the writings of E.W. Kenyon, who was a disciple of P.P. Quimby (just as Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of Christian(sic) Science was).

Wikipedia has an brief but accurate article on Kenneth Copeland that you should investigate.

Here are some telling quotes:

• "Satan conquered Jesus on the Cross and took His spirit to the dark regions of hell" (Kenneth Copeland, Holy Bible: Kenneth Copeland Reference Edition Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1991), 129.)
  
• "When [Jesus's] blood poured out it did not atone." (Kenneth Copeland: From a personal letter to D.R.McConnell, dated 12/3/79. from A Different Gospel, p.120)
  
• "God's reason for creating Adam was his desire to reproduce himself. I mean a reproduction of himself. And in the garden of Eden he did just that. He was not a little like God, he was not almost like God, he was not subordinate to God even. Adam was as much like God as you can get, just the same as Jesus when he came to earth, he said if you have seen me you have seen the father... Adam in the Garden of Eden was God manifested in the flesh." (Kenneth Copeland, Following the Faith of Abraham I (Fort Worth, TX: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1989), tape #01-3001, side 1.
  
• Jesus "has got to be all man. He cannot be a God and come storming in here with attributes and dignities that are not common to man. He can't do that. It's not legal." ("The Incarnation", side 1, audiocassette #01-0402, emphasis in original, Fort Worth, TX: KCM, 1985.)"
  
• "You don't have a God in you; you are one," (The Force of Love (Fort Worth: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1987, audiotape #02-0028), side 1.)
  
• "When we use the spiritual laws that God has set up, God must obey what we request." (Praise the Lord, TBN, 2/5/86)
  
• "This is all a copy, it's a copy of home. It's a copy of the mother planet, where God lives he made a little one just like his and put us on it. And Adam is as much like God as you could get, just the same as Jesus when he came into the earth he said that if you have seen me you have seen the Father. He wasn't a lot like God , he is God manifested in the flesh. And I want you to know something, Adam was God manifested in the flesh, he was God's very image, very likeness everything he did, everything he said, every move he made was the very image of allmighty God" Following the faith of Abraham,1989, side1 audio tape (01-3001) by Kenneth Copeland

He does not preach the gospel of Jesus as revealed to us in the New Testament, although he is very religious and uses the name of Jesus a lot.

If he is a Christian (that is, one who puts into practice the teachings and actions of Jesus), he is extraordinarily resistant to the message of Jesus. Since his message does not even closely resemble the message of Jesus, I personally have to conclude he is not a Christian, but rather, a false prophet.

And on a personal note, Copeland's headquarters is located here in Fort Worth. I have known several people who have worked for his "ministry", and the stories are not very good.

 

[Rachel]

Thanks that someone said this! :thumbs:

Rachel, could you re-do the poll and leave off Jakes and Copeland? I would prefer to consider the poll without heretics Jakes and Copeland (Jakes denies the Trinity; Copeland says God has a body and other heresies).

Of course, I don't know if I could vote on styles since I don't really know the styles of most of these people. Still, it makes me cringe to see Jakes and Copeland listed with Christians.

I know Marcia. I put them in on purpose though. So many people don't know what they teach and say all kinds of great things about them. I was curious if any BB member would pick them.

 

[Rachel]

Hi Rachel! :wavey:

I was kind of torn between Charles Spurgeon and Jonathan Edwards, but I finally chose Jonathan Edwards.

I have a grandson named after him. Jonathan is his first name and Edwards is his middle name. :thumbsup:

Cool :wavey: I had a hard time too but I ended up with Spurgeon and suprisingly, he is in the lead.

 

[Jon-Marc]

If Spurgeon smoked cigars (or anything else), I wouldn't want him either as a pastor. I like the one I have just fine.

 

[FriendofSpurgeon]

If Spurgeon smoked cigars (or anything else), I wouldn't want him either as a pastor.

OK, have to ask... why is that?

 

[Acts26:18]

Spurgeon's my choice

I chose Spurgeon simply because he's the closest to what I believe although I prefer the pastor I have now at my church. :thumbsup:

Interesting things about Copeland...reads like a Mormon to me - nothing Christian about his beliefs!!!!!

 

[thjplgvp]

Cousin Jonathan Edwards was pastor of the same church for
24 years (1726-1750, Northampton Church, Mass).

Cousin John Edwards of N.Carolina for President!!!

Are we name dropping Ed or is this a matter of nepotism? :laugh:

 

[thjplgvp]

Thanks that someone said this! :thumbs:

Rachel, could you re-do the poll and leave off Jakes and Copeland? I would prefer to consider the poll without heretics Jakes and Copeland (Jakes denies the Trinity; Copeland says God has a body and other heresies).

Of course, I don't know if I could vote on styles since I don't really know the styles of most of these people. Still, it makes me cringe to see Jakes and Copeland listed with Christians.

Honestly I would put McLaren on that same list, IMO the man isn't even saved and inundates his writings with post modern and new age thought.

thjplgvp

 

[LadyEagle]

None of the above. I'm happy with my pastor. He doesn't pound the pulpit, but that's okay.

 

[bobbyd]

I would have to pick Bobby Daniel to pastor the church i'm at, because that is me and me is the pastor!
But since me is not on the list, i choose Adrien Rogers.

 

[Lagardo]

None of the above. I'm happy with my pastor. He doesn't pound the pulpit, but that's okay.

If his points are strong enough, his pounding doesn't have to be

 

[rbell]

Just a question from the peanut gallery...

Should the fact that a few of these pastors are deceased factor in to the decision?

come to think of it...a deceased Adrian Rogers would probably be a better pastor than a living Kenneth Copeland...:laugh:

 

[Jon-Marc]

OK, have to ask... why is that?

I am 100% against ANY smoking. I thank God it's a habit I never had. It is a filthy and totally unnecessary habit that serves absolutely NO useful purpose. How can a Christian tell someone how God frees them from burdens while He's blowing smoke at them? The only thing I can even think of that even comes close to comparing with the foul, putrid stench of tobacco is a skunk. My apologies to skunks for the comparison.

 

[StefanM]

I would have to pick Bobby Daniel to pastor the church i'm at, because that is me and me is the pastor!
But since me is not on the list, i choose Adrien Rogers.

No kidding! I guess I voted to fire myself!

 

[Baptist Believer]

I am 100% against ANY smoking. I thank God it's a habit I never had. It is a filthy and totally unnecessary habit that serves absolutely NO useful purpose. How can a Christian tell someone how God frees them from burdens while He's blowing smoke at them? The only thing I can even think of that even comes close to comparing with the foul, putrid stench of tobacco is a skunk. My apologies to skunks for the comparison.

I'm pleased that you don't have a strong opinion about the matter... :tongue3:



Wow... I thought I hated smoking.

 

[rbell]

How can a Christian tell someone how God frees them from burdens while He's blowing smoke at them?

If blowing smoke bothers you...the BB's gonna be rough on ya...:tongue3: :laugh: We have some "smoke-blowing" experts 'round these parts.

Ooh...you meant tobacco smoke!....:thumbsup:

 

[FriendofSpurgeon]

Just a question from the peanut gallery...

Should the fact that a few of these pastors are deceased factor in to the decision?

come to think of it...a deceased Adrian Rogers would probably be a better pastor than a living Kenneth Copeland...:laugh:

At least you wouldn't have any heresy.