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While reading this thread, and many others like this one, and this last post, this parable came to mind - Matthew 25 in it's entirety, but specifically this portion:
Matthew 25
1. Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4. But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Do you understand what this parable means and how this can relate to this thread and the comments being given?
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
Matthew 25
1. Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4. But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Do you understand what this parable means and how this can relate to this thread and the comments being given?
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
Yes and he also lives in one of the most racist parts of the country too. When I lived there I could not believe the comments I heard by some people in the church. </font>[/QUOTE]That is a completely unfair over-generalization.
The most "racist" place I have ever been is Chicago. It is almost completely segregated by race and ethnicity. The suburb I lived in was far more integrated than the city.
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Do you understand what this parable means
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Yes. But apparently you don't.
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Nice evasion and tactic to SAY SUCH and CLAIM SUCH, but then not show it. Just cause you say it, doesn't make it so.
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and how this can relate to this thread and the comments being given?
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It doesn't. And any attempt to try to force it to relate to this discussion is adding to scripture.
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Not so. You have not only NOT proven your false accusation against me, but your comment that I am "adding" to this scripture - is also wrong, as I am only APPLYING it to this issue. I could be applying it wrong, however you haven't shown me otherwise, only that it doesn't. Again, only YOUR OPINION.
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
Do you understand what this parable means
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Yes. But apparently you don't.
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Nice evasion and tactic to SAY SUCH and CLAIM SUCH, but then not show it. Just cause you say it, doesn't make it so.
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and how this can relate to this thread and the comments being given?
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It doesn't. And any attempt to try to force it to relate to this discussion is adding to scripture.
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Not so. You have not only NOT proven your false accusation against me, but your comment that I am "adding" to this scripture - is also wrong, as I am only APPLYING it to this issue. I could be applying it wrong, however you haven't shown me otherwise, only that it doesn't. Again, only YOUR OPINION.
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
You directly implied in your response that this passage addresses the subject of this thread. If you think that then you don't understand the parable. If you don't then please consider this my apology.
Oh well. Disregard the part above about my apology.
Nope. Not opinion- FACT. The text neither says nor implies anything about Bible versions or translations. Not even close. It doesn't even deal with the Word of God at all.
You can't expand the application because the last verse you quoted limits it. It is talking about being prepared for the coming of the "Son of Man".
I hate being antagonistic toward you but I am quite honestly offended when you twist, stretch, and mangle scripture in an effort to support things that aren't even being addressed.
You put words in God's mouth and you must be confronted when you do it. I frankly don't know why you aren't terrified about doing this. You should fear God more than to try to use His Word to prove something He never intended to prove.
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Nope. Not opinion- FACT. The text neither says nor implies anything about Bible versions or translations. Not even close. It doesn't even deal with the Word of God at all.
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So in other words, since you claim we are not to show nor understand this issue from the scriptures themselves and are not a means to which we are to judge this issue by (concerning the scriptures themselves), or anything else by, just because they do not mention the words "translations" or "the names attached" to the translations, that we are then to BLINDLY ACCEPT ALL TRANSLATIONS on OUR OWN JUDGEMENT? Is this what you are saying? If so, you are VERY WRONG, and is contrary to the scripture truth and the christian belief, that the Bible - the scriptures - are the final authority in all matters of faith and practice. You are encouraging me, and others of this, if this is what you are saying. I apply the scriptures to all manners of my life, faith and practice above that of my own judgements, feelings and thoughts or those of others. Do you? Sometimes, the Lord brings them to mind, as in this case. Does he do this with you?
Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
Nope. Not opinion- FACT. The text neither says nor implies anything about Bible versions or translations. Not even close. It doesn't even deal with the Word of God at all.
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So in other words, since you claim we are not to show nor understand this issue from the scriptures themselves and are not a means to which we are to judge this issue by (concerning the scriptures themselves), or anything else by, just because they do not mention the words "translations" or "the names attached" to the translations, that we are then to BLINDLY ACCEPT ALL TRANSLATIONS on OUR OWN JUDGEMENT? Is this what you are saying? If so, you are VERY WRONG, and is contrary to the scripture truth and the christian belief, that the Bible - the scriptures - are the final authority in all matters of faith and practice. You are encouraging me, and others of this, if this is what you are saying. I apply the scriptures to all manners of my life, faith and practice above that of my own judgements, feelings and thoughts or those of others. Do you? Sometimes, the Lord brings them to mind, as in this case. Does he do this with you?
Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
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The Lord does not pull scripture passages out of context and apply them willy-nilly. We do at times, and we are wrong when we do.
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How exactly have I pulled anything out of context or applied it willy nilly? Have I expounded upon this? No, in fact I have not. And to tell you the TRUTH, and as God as my witness, He did bring this to my mind as I read this thread and many other one's like this one. It is for YOU to come to understand on your own the relevancy of this. All I did was state my observation, what the Lord brought to mind, and asked you all a question about it. Just because you do not agree that this might be relevant, does in no way mean I have understood it out of context, nor can you even claim to know what I understand about it, because I have not yet EXPLAINED what I understand, nor why I have/would apply it. And secondly to say quite boldly, and ignorantly that this is something the Lord did not bring to my mind. How could YOU even know? Do you understand what the parable means? This is what I was asking. No one here has even attempted to explain what it means, but yet can somehow know what I think it means and then say I am taking it out of context, without even knowing what I think the context means. All I have said is that I think it relates to this thread and the comments of the thread.
So what is it that I have taken out of context? Please explain to me what the context is, since I do not know the context of any scriptures, I ever quote and am ALWAYS taking them out of context?
Why don't you explain for once, exactly what is the context, and how it does not apply to this since you are so bold to assume I am wrong?
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
The Lord does not pull scripture passages out of context and apply them willy-nilly. We do at times, and we are wrong when we do.
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How exactly have I pulled anything out of context or applied it willy nilly? Have I expounded upon this? No, in fact I have not. And to tell you the TRUTH, and as God as my witness, He did bring this to my mind as I read this thread and many other one's like this one. It is for YOU to come to understand on your own the relevancy of this. All I did was state my observation, what the Lord brought to mind, and asked you all a question about it. Just because you do not agree that this might be relevant, does in no way mean I have understood it out of context, nor can you even claim to know what I understand about it, because I have not yet EXPLAINED what I understand, nor why I have/would apply it. And secondly to say quite boldly, and ignorantly that this is something the Lord did not bring to my mind. How could YOU even know? Do you understand what the parable means? This is what I was asking. No one here has even attempted to explain what it means, but yet can somehow know what I think it means and then say I am taking it out of context, without even knowing what I think the context means. All I have said is that I think it relates to this thread and the comments of the thread.
So what is it that I have taken out of context? Please explain to me what the context is, since I do not know the context of any scriptures, I ever quote and am ALWAYS taking them out of context?
Why don't you explain for once, exactly what is the context, and how it does not apply to this since you are so bold to assume I am wrong?
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
michelle said "No one here has even attempted to explain what it means, but yet can somehow know what I think it means and then say I am taking it out of context, without even knowing what I think the context means. All I have said is that I think it relates to this thread and the comments of the thread."
yadda yadda yadda. When can we talk about Bible versions instead of each other? Move on.
yadda yadda yadda. When can we talk about Bible versions instead of each other? Move on.
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yadda yadda yadda. When can we talk about Bible versions instead of each other? Move on.
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When can we talk about what the scriptures say about themselves and us in the Bible versions issue, and reason with the scriptures, as we should be doing in all matters, instead of about each other and our own opinions of it?
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
yadda yadda yadda. When can we talk about Bible versions instead of each other? Move on.
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When can we talk about what the scriptures say about themselves and us in the Bible versions issue, and reason with the scriptures, as we should be doing in all matters, instead of about each other and our own opinions of it?
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
Matthew 25:1-13 is a continuation of the thoughts started at the end chapter 24. It is about the state of the professing church at the second coming. English (or any other) Bible translations are not mentioned. Jesus Christ is explaining what the condition of peoples hearts will be. To imply that those that use MVs are like the foolish virgins (which is what you appear to be doing) is indeed pulling the passage out of context. If I am wrong, then explain it to me.
Well, natters, I read the interesting posts and what is funny, she quotes scripture that has nothing to do with translations and then accuses you of "making false accusations" to her.
Michelle,
You might consider explaining why you think the scriptures you quoted have anything to do with translations. If you would do this instead of just throwing scripture out and saying it applies, then maybe we could take the references seriously.
If you are privy to some knowledge that most of the other people on this board are not aware of, then instead of putting them down, why don't you explain your revelations. It might make for a much better debate than continuous personal attacks and blaming people they are "not being honest with you" or tell them that they are "avoiding the truth", when you won't even explain what you mean by your post.
You have often posted scripture that obviously points towards the evil man or men who don't follow God's commands. Then you won't comment, so, at least to us, it appears that you are pointing this at everybody who disagrees with your opinion.
You spent about five posts responding to how nobody will listen to you because we choose not to, and explain how your verses answer the questions to the entire thread, but nowhere did I see an attempt to explain why.
You also avoid direct questions such as "why did you claim we accused you of being a KJVO?" I have only asked about 7 times and you have avoided it.
This selective rock-throwing is getting ridiculous and I have tried to be tolerant and help point you in the ways of true debate, but you refuse.
So, I suggest that you please explain to this board full of "non-inspiree's" such as myself, what your parable has to do with this thread, or quit throwing stones.
Am I frustrated, yes, because you throw out scripture like a weapon that is totally unrelated to the issue and then when put on the spot you won't explain WHY it applies.
Also, you need to quit answering selectively. I don't know that I have ever not answered a question you have asked me unless I simply overlooked it. Ask me any question and see.
But, you need to do the same thing, so you can start by saying why you accused us of calling you a KJVo, when you fight alongside every KJVo on the net. If you are going to make the accusation, you at least owe us an explanation of why you do not consider yourself a KJVO.
You see, this thread was for one purpose, and that purpose was to discuss what translation you use. Your purpose is to correct every pastor and scholar with your revelation that we are all wrong and therefore you have even resorted to attacking the fact that we open threads that you do not agree with.
So, if you wish to post here, I am not a moderator and cannot control what you do, but I think I am not the only one on this site that would like you to quit trying to FIX everybody on this website and derail every single thread that you do not like.
Moderators: I am sorry for this, but it is something that I feel needs to be said, and I realize that we are all guilty of not obeying the rules and I for one humbly ask for forgiveness, but I am also going to stand up for the integrity of this board and the other posters who do not try to destroy a discussion just because we do not agree with it.
Thank you! Now, maybe we can discuss translations instead of having three pages of I'm right because I showed you and your wrong, with no explanations.
Michelle,
You might consider explaining why you think the scriptures you quoted have anything to do with translations. If you would do this instead of just throwing scripture out and saying it applies, then maybe we could take the references seriously.
If you are privy to some knowledge that most of the other people on this board are not aware of, then instead of putting them down, why don't you explain your revelations. It might make for a much better debate than continuous personal attacks and blaming people they are "not being honest with you" or tell them that they are "avoiding the truth", when you won't even explain what you mean by your post.
You have often posted scripture that obviously points towards the evil man or men who don't follow God's commands. Then you won't comment, so, at least to us, it appears that you are pointing this at everybody who disagrees with your opinion.
You spent about five posts responding to how nobody will listen to you because we choose not to, and explain how your verses answer the questions to the entire thread, but nowhere did I see an attempt to explain why.
You also avoid direct questions such as "why did you claim we accused you of being a KJVO?" I have only asked about 7 times and you have avoided it.
This selective rock-throwing is getting ridiculous and I have tried to be tolerant and help point you in the ways of true debate, but you refuse.
So, I suggest that you please explain to this board full of "non-inspiree's" such as myself, what your parable has to do with this thread, or quit throwing stones.
Am I frustrated, yes, because you throw out scripture like a weapon that is totally unrelated to the issue and then when put on the spot you won't explain WHY it applies.
Also, you need to quit answering selectively. I don't know that I have ever not answered a question you have asked me unless I simply overlooked it. Ask me any question and see.
But, you need to do the same thing, so you can start by saying why you accused us of calling you a KJVo, when you fight alongside every KJVo on the net. If you are going to make the accusation, you at least owe us an explanation of why you do not consider yourself a KJVO.
You see, this thread was for one purpose, and that purpose was to discuss what translation you use. Your purpose is to correct every pastor and scholar with your revelation that we are all wrong and therefore you have even resorted to attacking the fact that we open threads that you do not agree with.
So, if you wish to post here, I am not a moderator and cannot control what you do, but I think I am not the only one on this site that would like you to quit trying to FIX everybody on this website and derail every single thread that you do not like.
Moderators: I am sorry for this, but it is something that I feel needs to be said, and I realize that we are all guilty of not obeying the rules and I for one humbly ask for forgiveness, but I am also going to stand up for the integrity of this board and the other posters who do not try to destroy a discussion just because we do not agree with it.
Thank you! Now, maybe we can discuss translations instead of having three pages of I'm right because I showed you and your wrong, with no explanations.
Yes and he also lives in one of the most racist parts of the country too. When I lived there I could not believe the comments I heard by some people in the church. </font>[/QUOTE]Since being a fool is a sin, why do you continue to make foolish statements?
BTW, as far as being a racist is concerned, my wife is a Mexican who was born in Mexico. Where was your wife born? </font>[/QUOTE]You may not be racist but many around you are. Knowing what I know from living in that area for ten years I heard more comments about blacks and hispanics by church people than I veer want to hear. .I never tolerated that for one minute.
I lived and pastored in Texas I heard comments I had never heard about anyone any other place I have lived. So I do know about what I saw and heard. It wasn't too long ago that the KKK was near you in Vidar. It wasn't too many years ago that W.A. Criswell spoke about the problem. It was in 1995 that a friend of mine led a black youth to Christ and the deacons would not let the youth into the church. That was in the south. I worked for a man who grew up in the south and his family left the south to N.Y. The reason he gave was because he was black. How long ago was integration forced in the south because the whites provided separate everything for the black people. One of the professors I had in seminary told me that he was the president of the PTA when integration was forced. Some of the stories he had to tell weren't exactly nice. When I lived in the south I worked for a large company and my boss told me he would never hire a black man as a salesman. In a town I visited I went into the all black part of town and entered a store. Later I was told that I should not have gone into that store because it was in the black part of town on the other side of the tracks. The fact was I had never seen that kind of discrimination. I did not notice anything at all. But what some folks told me later told me everything.
Where I have lived I never heard those kinds of comments especially by church folks. But when I lived in the south it was a regular diet. We could not believe what we were hearing.
In 1993 I was teaching a Sunday School at an SBC church in Houston and one of the men made the comment, "Do you know why there is so much sin in Louisiana? It's because the whites married the blacks." I could not let him get by with that comment.
I cannot think of any part of the country where I have lived and read about where there has been more troubles concerning race. Can you?
Terry_Herrington
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We are more than happy to have you stay away from Texas! Do us all a favor and don't ever come back!
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For your reading pleasure:
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/4/1951.html
Yes, TH, this does mean you.
I read the HCSB for personal devotions.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/4/1951.html
Yes, TH, this does mean you.