Which version do you use?

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:

We are more than happy to have you stay away from Texas! Do us all a favor and don't ever come back!

So you didn't like the answer I gave? If you don't want factual information then don't ask. I would never tolerate the comments I heard from church people nor from the students I teach. When Billy Graham visited the south he thought the same thing. So he did something about it. What would Jesus think of your attitude? You are happy tolerating such comments and attitudes? My friend who was the youth pastor at a chruch that would not let the black youth into the building, resigned immediately. And you are happy with that kind of practice? When is the last time you made a statement about the wrongness of the evil present?

I always thought the church should be the one group that should speak out against such evil. Apparently you are comfortable enough to accomodate what I mentioned. So are you saying that you are happy with the racist comments coming from folks in the church? You don't like folks to point out the evils where you live? David in Psalm 139:23, 24 thought differently. Fortunately there are some churches trying to make a diference in Houston. But I assume you are content to stay the same from what you mentioned.

Thankfully my friends in Houston do not hold the same position as you. Some have been there all their lives and are trying to make a difference and I commend them for it. They recognize the wrongs and are not to content to accept things the way they are. But you?

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Originally posted by gb93433:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:

We are more than happy to have you stay away from Texas! Do us all a favor and don't ever come back!

So you didn't like the answer I gave? If you don't want factual information then don't ask. I would never tolerate the comments I heard from church people nor from the students I teach. When Billy Graham visited the south he thought the same thing. So he did something about it. What would Jesus think of your attitude? You are happy tolerating such comments and attitudes? My friend who was the youth pastor at a chruch that would not let the black youth into the building, resigned immediately. And you are happy with that kind of practice? When is the last time you made a statement about the wrongness of the evil present?

I always thought the church should be the one group that should speak out against such evil. Apparently you are comfortable enough to accomodate what I mentioned. So are you saying that you are happy with the racist comments coming from folks in the church? You don't like folks to point out the evils where you live? David in Psalm 139:23, 24 thought differently. Fortunately there are some churches trying to make a diference in Houston. But I assume you are content to stay the same from what you mentioned.

Thankfully my friends in Houston do not hold the same position as you. Some have been there all their lives and are trying to make a difference and I commend them for it. They recognize the wrongs and are not to content to accept things the way they are. But you? </font>[/QUOTE]Are you a FOOL? What makes you think that our church is racist? Did you not read that my wife is a MEXICAN? Did you know that our church is made up of Whites, Mexicans, and Blacks?

You need to keep your mouth shut when you are talking about something you don't know about!

 

[michelle]

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Michelle,
You might consider explaining why you think the scriptures you quoted have anything to do with translations. If you would do this instead of just throwing scripture out and saying it applies, then maybe we could take the references seriously.
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I have done this in the past, and have been not only not been taken seriously, but many do not even take the time to try to understand what I have said and provided and continually accuse me of taking the scriptures out of context in every case it I present them. Even on this very thread, to which I have not yet even explained what I understand in this yet and how I see it can be applied and why. So I am approaching this differently this time.


Actually, what I am really looking for, is others understanding of this parable, because I have observed that it relates to this thread in my understanding, and as the Lord brought it to mind as I have read this thread (and many other times reading threads like this one) and desired to know others understanding of this parable. Then I "might" share with you what I understand of it, and how I think it relates to this thread.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:

We are more than happy to have you stay away from Texas!

Are you a FOOL? What makes you think that our church is racist? Did you not read that my wife is a MEXICAN? Did you know that our church is made up of Whites, Mexicans, and Blacks?

You need to keep your mouth shut when you are talking about something you don't know about!

What an attitude! I don't know anything about it? Really? Where did you get that idea? I lived and worked in Houston not too far from where you live.

I am glad that your church is different though. But obviously by your outstretched arm to me you are missing a few things. Have trouble facing some comments you don't like? Did you read what I wrote? Did I mention your church by name?

 

[michelle]

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gb quoted:

What an attitude!
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You and Dr. Bob should talk. He made the following statement to Mioque's comments about his statement to which you and Dr. Bob have not only gone off onto tangents, but falsley accusing him and misrepresenting ABSOLUTELY what he said and meant and have resulted in slandering him and others - quite OFF TOPIC TOO, I might add. His comment was about God's words in the English Language, to which if she is not English speaking in her native tongue, really in reality has NO BUSINESS butting her two sense into this DEBATE - to which he said in a very nice and joking manner (to which Dr. Bob took and went off with unwarrantedly). She of course is free to do so, but her opinion of it is meaningless, as English is not her language and we are discussing English language Bibles - not foriegn ones, to which is why he said what he did (if I am wrong Terry, please feel free to correct me).


You have taken this WAY TOO FAR and have been quite insulting to Terry, and I am absolutley in shock. I understand your being upset for what you have experienced, and from what you have shared with us is not right at all and should not be condoned, but you are GENERALIZING brother, and it is not nice to paint everyone with a broad brush, otherwise you mess up the true picture. I do believe an apology is in order from you to Terry. This is all he said to Mioque that started your unwarranted rampage against him and others:


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Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:

quote:
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Originally posted by mioque:
"it is God's Word for the English-speaking people! "
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That probably makes it good news for me that I am more fluent Dutch, French and German.
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I've got some advice for you. Go find yourself a board that is in Dutch or French or German.
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Bless your heart dear Terry, and I feel for what they have done and said and implied of you. I love you dear brother.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[Phillip]

That's fair enough Michelle, I would honestly consider what you have to say. We may not agree, but I would honestly consider what your thoughts are.

I don't think there is any doubt that God can show us things about His Word that He might not show to someone else and that scriptures can apply to so many different situations that those scriptures can cover a world of different situations.

It is that I, for one, just do not understand how the parable fits the subject.

And please, understand too, that although we disagree in many areas, it would be wrong of me to say that I did not believe you when you said He opened your eyes to something relating to His Word. Unless of course it was clearly against the scriptures.

But, you have to be fair with us too and if you do see something that we don't understand, share it with us. You may be debated, but that's just what happens here. But, I will promise you that if I can see you connection I will certainly consider it. That is all I can promise.

I have been guilty in the past few days of responding negatively to your statement before I read it completely and often we agreed on something that I did not accept. I appologize for those situations and will try to be more open minded, if you will promise to do the same thing. (I am not telling you that you have to agree.) I am saying that I will consider your arguments if you will consider mine. But, we must be open to each other about what or why we mean something.

Will that work?

I honestly don't want to lose debators who we disagree with or it would be a boring debate. Plus, nobody would learn something new because I think it helps to have to defend our beliefs. If we cannot, then we couldn't defend them with the lost.

I promise I will start paying more attention to your posts if you will do the same. We can then agree to disagree if we cannot come to an agreement.

Maybe I was a bit harsh, but I think we both must admit that there have been a few stones thrown in both directions; I would rather us have constructive debates whether or not we agree than attacking one another just because we see the other as wrong.

Anyway, that's my feelings and maybe we can all begin anew here and not stress the moderators so much.

 

[michelle]

Sure Phillip, I agree with you. I have been honestly trying, as I have come to realize, many here take what I say wrong, or personally to which in many cases is my fault, and I admit, that sometimes, many times, I have failed in this area also. I am truly trying to approach this debate in love and truth and not to judge anyone, or to personally hurt them, but to help. These debates have also helped me to learn, and grow, and continue focusing on the Lord of Glory and our Saviour Jesus Christ and to honour Him and give Him the praise He deserves. I fail miserably sometimes, when I do not first rely upon Him, and fall to my own wicked way of doing things, but I am truly trying to do this His way.

Yes, I agree also to what you have said, and will try my very best, as the Lord so leads, and as I so obey His leading. I understand also, that we might fail again in the future, but as long as we both/all try, and forgive one another, and realize that we are all God's servants first, then we can also be to one another also.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[Deborah B.]

Amen!!!!

Praise Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior!

Deborah

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by michelle:
I understand also, that we might fail again in the future, but as long as we both/all try, and forgive one another, and realize that we are all God's servants first, then we can also be to one another also.

Don't we always need to hear that message loud and clear. God knows I need it. Thanks Michelle!

 

[mioque]

michelle (&everybody)
If you explained all those Bible texts you quote as clearly as you did the following, debating you would be a lot more fruitfull.

"His comment was about God's words in the English Language, to which if she is not English speaking in her native tongue, really in reality has NO BUSINESS butting her two sense into this DEBATE - to which he said in a very nice and joking manner (to which Dr. Bob took and went off with unwarrantedly). She of course is free to do so, but her opinion of it is meaningless, as English is not her language and we are discussing English language Bibles - not foriegn ones, to which is why he said what he did (if I am wrong Terry, please feel free to correct me)."
"
That doesn't mean you aren't completely wrong in this case.
You see this thread is about Bibleversions people on this board use and not about English Bibleversions.
This whole subsection of the board is devoted to Bibleversions&translations in general and not to English Bibleversions in particular.
On top of that Terry advised me to leave this Baptist Board alltogether and that seems rather radical...
In closing, the reason (besides simple academic interest) I'm interested in a fight over English Bibles I'll rarely use is that the KJVO-movement contains elements that want to make the KJB the only Bible of the whole world and their propaganda causes a bit of unrest among the illinformed Christians outside the Englishspeaking world.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:
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You need to keep your mouth shut when you are talking about something you don't know about!

Amen, Brother Terry_Herrington -- this is
generic good advise that is eternally correct
and applies to us all.

P.S. Study the quote i made. Compare it
to your own. Unless you are supplementing
the Webmaster, HE has to pay for the storage
space of these long quotes.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by michelle:

Actually, what I am really looking for, is others understanding of this parable, because I have observed that it relates to this thread in my understanding, and as the Lord brought it to mind as I have read this thread (and many other times reading threads like this one) and desired to know others understanding of this parable. Then I "might" share with you what I understand of it, and how I think it relates to this thread.

Amen, Sister Michelle - Preach it!

That would really be wise.
There is much more variation of what we think
the scripture means than variation between
whaqthe KJVs and the MVs say.

It has always been a Baptist belief in the
Priesthood of the Believer, that each
individual is responsible for taking the scripture
and being responsible before God for what
they each do with that scripture.

Ed's token sentence on subject:
I use the HCSB for family devotions.
Both my wife and I have the "Words of
Christ in Red" edition as well as the
plain jane, under $5 edition.

 

[TC]

Michelle,

I did give a short explanation near the end of page 4 of the meaning of the parable and why I think it is taking it out of context to apply it the Bible version issue.

 

[TC]

Actually, about 2/3 of the way down on the scrool bar.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by michelle:
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Nope. Not opinion- FACT. The text neither says nor implies anything about Bible versions or translations. Not even close. It doesn't even deal with the Word of God at all.
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So in other words, since you claim we are not to show nor understand this issue from the scriptures themselves and are not a means to which we are to judge this issue by (concerning the scriptures themselves), or anything else by, just because they do not mention the words "translations" or "the names attached" to the translations, that we are then to BLINDLY ACCEPT ALL TRANSLATIONS on OUR OWN JUDGEMENT?

No. I am saying that it is sinful and offensive to yank scripture out of its context and apply it to something that is completely foreign to the subject being addressed. Application of scripture means that we can apply it to similar circumstances or derive principles that apply broadly to like situations. It does not mean that you can choose a scripture and make it say whatever you want it to say.

You are the one blindly accepting a particular version of scripture then refusing to deal with evidence concerning the issue. The Bible teaches principles for evaluating things not directly addressed by scripture.

For instance, we are commanded to prove all things... that means to put things to the test requiring us to use logic and rules of evidence to evaluate things while remaining under submission to the Holy Spirit.

If so, you are VERY WRONG, and is contrary to the scripture truth and the christian belief, that the Bible - the scriptures - are the final authority in all matters of faith and practice.

What the Scripture actually says IS the final authority in all matters of faith and practice. However, that does not give YOU a license to make scripture say whatever is convenient to your cause at the moment.

I apply the scriptures to all manners of my life, faith and practice above that of my own judgements, feelings and thoughts or those of others. Do you?

Yes. However, I am careful not to apply them out of context or to draw conclusions that are not warranted by the actual text.

Sometimes, the Lord brings them to mind, as in this case. Does he do this with you?

Yes. And when a scripture comes to mind that I think applies to a situation I employ a simple test. I look up the passage then read it in context to ensure that I am not misusing or abusing God's Word. I believe we should be careful in how we handle God's Word... it is after all GOD'S Word, not ours.

The issue is what God said and the context He said it in... not what will conveniently fit my need (lust) of the moment.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by mioque:
Brother Ed
Ofcourse I'm staying.

Good.
You are the most highly trained
Bible scholar
who posts on this Forum. I'd hate to loose
you, the Bible IQ here would go down 3 points.

[note for the slow: That means she is
as smart as any three of the rest of
us put together -- Bible scholarwise that
is.]

 

[AVL1984]

Michele, the problem is that the parable you posted in no wise has anything to do with this thread. Twisted scriptures are very common in IFB/KJVO Extremists circles. We (and I mean all of us, myself included) need to make sure that when we quote scripture it actually is applicable to the subject, and that we are rightly dividing the Word of the Lord. It's easy to sometimes get carried away and feel the need to post something from the Scriptures that will make us seem like we have a handle on the truth. The problem is, we have to make sure that the truth we're promoting IS the truth and is beneficial.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Amen, Brother AVL1948 -- Preach it!

Token on subject writer sez:

I use the KJV1769 to memorize.

 

[michelle]

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That doesn't mean you aren't completely wrong in this case.
You see this thread is about Bibleversions people on this board use and not about English Bibleversions.
This whole subsection of the board is devoted to Bibleversions&translations in general and not to English Bibleversions in particular.
On top of that Terry advised me to leave this Baptist Board alltogether and that seems rather radical...
In closing, the reason (besides simple academic interest) I'm interested in a fight over English Bibles I'll rarely use is that the KJVO-movement contains elements that want to make the KJB the only Bible of the whole world and their propaganda causes a bit of unrest among the illinformed Christians outside the Englishspeaking world.
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I in no way was advocating or implying that you shouldn't post here, and I hope that you did not feel as though I was saying any such thing. I was only trying my best to defend Terry, who was being unwarrantedly accused of doing something, and being something he is not, and along with him, many others also. This is simply not true, and very much not accepted behaviour at all, anywhere. Terry came back to you, with a joking remark to " your joking remark". You both did it. Then all this racism talk came in and against Terry specifically, and others generally.


I do not happen to believe myself, that the KJB should be forced upon others of other languages. However, if those missionaries going to other countries need to share with them the scriptures, it is their responsibility to give them the accurate and pure words of God, not inaccurate ones. This is our responsibility, and whatever way they must do this, God will lead them to do just that, whether by translating from the KJB to their language, or from the origional langauages from the TR. To me, it seems that a much more accurate translation would come from a text that the translators knew best in thier own native tongue to translate into the receptive language, as they know how to best translate their own language, rather than bringing in another language -they most likely do not know that well, or at all for that matter, making it 4 languages. Seems common sense to me that 2 would be best. However, I do not believe, that it is necessary for foriegn speaking individuals to have to learn English, in order to read God's pure words. I do think however, many here have underestimated the fact that many foriegners do speak English quite fluently in almost every country. I know, I lived in Indonesia for a few years and travelled many places. They understand English very well, and would also be able to understand the KJB in time, and if they had a desire to know God's words.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:
Are you a FOOL?

Uh, what does the Bible say about calling your brother a "fool"? In the King James version?