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White House Issues Climate Report

carpro

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hillclimber1 said:
Well Carpro, the anti-christ will certainly need gullible and naive people to convince to follow him. Seems there are plenty. He will have an easier time if they have broad faiths. This man caused global warming issue could be viewed as a trial run.

The odd part is, hc, that I'm willing to believe all of it.

But someone has to prove something.

Right now, it looks like it's more of a scam to accomplish the U.N goal of worldwide redistribution of wealth than anything else.
 
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Crabtownboy

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Revmitchell said:
Comparing belief in Global Warming to faith in God is asinine and desperate.

Silly, I was just showing that Carpo will not believe until it is proven. Well, that means he cannot believe in God as God can neither be proven nor disproven. He is in an indefensible position using that logic.
 

carpro

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Crabtownboy said:
Silly, I was just showing that Carpo will not believe until it is proven. Well, that means he cannot believe in God as God can neither be proven nor disproven. He is in an indefensible position using that logic.

It has been proven to me in thousands of ways that God exists.

I'm sorry for you that you don't agree.

It sounds to me like you don't believe in God.
 

Revmitchell

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Crabtownboy said:
Silly, I was just showing that Carpo will not believe until it is proven. Well, that means he cannot believe in God as God can neither be proven nor disproven. He is in an indefensible position using that logic.


And you continue on anyway.
 

Crabtownboy

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Revmitchell said:
And you continue on anyway.

Of course. You only make snide comments and never contribute anything of substance to a conversation. And Carpo's stance is totally illogical.

Now, what is the evidence there is no global warming. I am not saying it is man made, just that it is obvious it is happening. It doesn't matter if it is man made or not if it continues lots of us are in big trouble.

What is your evidence?
 

Crabtownboy

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carpro said:
It has been proven to me in thousands of ways that God exists.

I'm sorry for you that you don't agree.

It sounds to me like you don't believe in God.

Show me you proofs.

Of course I believe in God and it is by faith not proof. The finite can never prove the infinite. There are some really good attempts, but all fall short of proof.

None of the below are bad, but all fall short of absolute proof. If we could prove God exists there would be no need for faith. If your proofs are better than any of the below, please give them as you will be doing all Christians a huge favor.

Aquinas' and Anselm's Arguments for the Existence of God in Syllogistic Form -- by Robert J. Schihl, Ph. D.
Explanation of the Five Ways -- by Patricia Weiss
Aquinas' Five Ways -- by Stephen A. Richards (includes videos (e.g. of cooked chicken) to illustrate the proofs.)
Problems of the First Cause by Fr. William Most, from the electronic library of EWTN.
Philosophical Proofs on the Existence of God -- by S. M. Miranda
Explanation of the First Way -- by Philip A. Pecorino. Also includes other cosmological arguments and objections, especially in the light of Big Bang cosmology.
An Examination of Thomas Aquinas' Cosmological Arguments as found in the Five Ways -- by Scott David Foutz
To Follow the Second Way of Aquinas -- by David McGraw. An explanation of the proof from efficient causality (dynamic punch) and a defense of identifying the First Cause with God. Also includes an impressive list of links to relevant resources on the internet.
Five Proofs of God -- by Joseph E. Barrett: being "Excerpts lifted from Thomas Aquinas: God and Explanations by Professor Christopher F J Martin."
 

Revmitchell

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Crabtownboy said:
Of course. You only make snide comments and never contribute anything of substance to a conversation. And Carpo's stance is totally illogical.

Now, what is the evidence there is no global warming. I am not saying it is man made, just that it is obvious it is happening. It doesn't matter if it is man made or not if it continues lots of us are in big trouble.

What is your evidence?

It is funny how you libs always accuse others of just what you yourself do. Anyway I post articles debunking global warming on a regular basis.
 

Crabtownboy

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Revmitchell said:
It is funny how you libs always accuse others of just what you yourself do. Anyway I post articles debunking global warming on a regular basis.

You post articles, well hurrah. Now do you have any thought of your own? What is your own thinking? What is your own analysis?


Do you approach preaching the same way and preach other's sermons? :laugh:
 

Revmitchell

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Crabtownboy said:
You post articles, well hurrah. Now do you have any thought of your own? What is your own thinking? What is your own analysis?


Do you approach preaching the same way and preach other's sermons? :laugh:


Oh...you must mean analysis such as comparing belief in global warming to faith in God. :laugh:
 

Bro. Curtis

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So those who trust God above White House reports are without substance ?

Didn't a certain White House issue statements about WMDs ? What if they issue another one ? Will you laugh at those who choose not to believe it ?

I have noticed you like to laugh at people who disagree with you, and that certainly is a weak debate strategy. Sometimes you start a thread off by laughing at those about to disagree.

I thought you would be against U.N. power grabs, being from your part of the world.
 

Andre

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On the matter of global warming, from wikipedia

The average global air temperature near the Earth's surface increased 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.33 ± 0.32 °F) during the hundred years ending in 2005.[1] The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes "most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-twentieth century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (man-made) greenhouse gas concentrations"[1] via the greenhouse effect. Natural phenomena such as solar variation combined with volcanoes probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950 and a small cooling effect from 1950 onward.[2][3]
These basic conclusions have been endorsed by at least thirty scientific societies and academies of science,[4] including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries.[5][6][7] While individual scientists have voiced disagreement with some findings of the IPCC,[8] the overwhelming majority of scientists working on climate change agree with the IPCC's main conclusions.[9][10
 
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Revmitchell

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Dr. Shaviv's digging led him to the surprising discovery that there is no concrete evidence -- only speculation -- that man-made greenhouse gases cause global warming. Even research from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change-- the United Nations agency that heads the worldwide effort to combat global warming -- is bereft of anything here inspiring confidence. In fact, according to the IPCC's own findings, man's role is so uncertain that there is a strong possibility that we have been cooling, not warming, the Earth. Unfortunately, our tools are too crude to reveal what man's effect has been in the past, let alone predict how much warming or cooling we might cause in the future.

All we have on which to pin the blame on greenhouse gases, says Dr. Shaviv, is "incriminating circumstantial evidence," which explains why climate scientists speak in terms of finding "evidence of fingerprints." Circumstantial evidence might be a fine basis on which to justify reducing greenhouse gases, he adds, "without other 'suspects.' " However, Dr. Shaviv not only believes there are credible "other suspects," he believes that at least one provides a superior explanation for the 20th century's warming.

What is that culprit?

"Solar activity can explain a large part of the 20th-century global warming," he states, particularly because of the evidence that has been accumulating over the past decade of the strong relationship that cosmic- ray flux has on our atmosphere. So much evidence has by now been amassed, in fact, that "it is unlikely that [the solar climate link] does not exist."


More Here
 

Andre

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The material from wikipedia is consistent with RevMitchell's account of a scientist who does not believe in a connection of global warming to the activities of man.

However, unless the wikipedia article misrepresents the facts, Dr. Shaviv opinion is not shared by "the overwhelming majority of scientists working on climate change.

I am interested to know why so many here seem to hold positions that go against what appears to be a rather solid majority of scientists who believe in the connection of global warming to mankind's activities.
 

Revmitchell

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Numbers means nothing when computer models are unreliable which is a primary means of interpreting this issue. Common sense comes into play when we take the time to consider the climate runs in cycles. And this is a political agenda tied into population control and a global government.
 

Bro. Curtis

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Andre said:
I am interested to know why so many here seem to hold positions that go against what appears to be a rather solid majority of scientists who believe in the connection of global warming to mankind's activities.

My answer is because so many of these scientists tell me there is no god, we came from monkeys, & other such nonsense, and we take the command to believe the word of God over man seriously. You either serve God, or you serve against him. That's biblical.
 

Revmitchell

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Bro. Curtis said:
My answer is because so many of these scientists tell me there is no god, we came from monkeys, & other such nonsense, and we take the command to believe the word of God over man seriously. You either serve God, or you serve against him. That's biblical.


Which comes from the same kind of science and is held to by a majority of them as well.
 

carpro

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Crabtownboy said:
Show me you proofs.

Of course I believe in God and it is by faith not proof. The finite can never prove the infinite. There are some really good attempts, but all fall short of proof.

I'm shocked!

Are you telling me that God has never revealed himself to you in any way at any time?

Are you a Christian?
 
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