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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by savedbymercy, Aug 12, 2015.

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  1. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

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    Rabbit Trail comments! Simply worthless!
     
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    Did you say Rabbit?
     
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    Hi Brother Joseph, no draw is being used metaphorically here (John 6:44). It means to attract, not compel.
     
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    They are synonymous, to compel also means to attract, either way its denoting a inward force !

    God does that to them He wants to come in Lk 14:22-23

    22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.

    23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

    Also the word draw in its metaphorical meaning means:

    metaphorically, to draw by inward power, lead, impel:

    So you dont even understand the metaphorical usage !

    BTW that inward Power is the Spirit of God from New Birth, leading the Child of God Rom 8:14

    14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    The word led here in this context means:

    to more, impel, of forces and influences affecting the mind: Luke 4:1 (where read ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ (with L text T Tr WH)); πνεύματι Θεοῦ ἄγεσθαι, Romans 8:14
     
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    Other uses of helkuo in the N.T.

    John 18:10. Simon Peter drew a sword. He didn't attract the sword or lure it; he pulled it out of its scabbard.
    John 21:6. The disciples didn't try to tempt the net out of the water. They puffed and panted trying to heave it.
    John 21:11. Simon Peter drew the net to land. He didn't cajole it to come of its own accord; he dragged it.
    Acts 16:19. Paul wasn't attracted to the market place; he was dragged there.
     
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    It does not matter how many times the truth that draw means attract when used metaphorically is denied, the truth remains undiminished.

    All who hear and understand the gospel are drawn, attracted, to Christ because of His lovingkindness, He died for us. But we are not compelled to trust fully in Him. That assertion is mistaken doctrine.
     
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    Post 44 shows you your error !
     
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    I'm afraid you're wasting your time, brother. It's a Proverbs 18:2 situation.
     
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    The lexicons tell us the literal and metaphorical meanings are different, compel versus attract, so the claim by SBM that the meanings are synonymous are simply a repeat of the stream of denials. MM then attacks me personally, again demonstrating they must use logical fallacies to obfuscate truth.

    The Greek word translated "draw" when used metaphorically means to attract rather than compel.

    All who behold Christ high and lifted up, i.e. dying for them, will be attracted by God's lovingkindness. The gospel of Christ.
     
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    Lol, you have the lexicon and still dont know what the word means metaphorically !
     
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    They can deny and denigrate till the cows come home. To attract by lovingkindness is the metaphorical meaning. All who behold Christ high and lifted up, i.e. dying for them, will be attracted by God's lovingkindness. The gospel of Christ.
     
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