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Who Caused the Cold War?

Conan

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There are issues with capitalism that may be attributed to man's sinful nature and such is only becoming worse the more man turns away from God. Every economic system has such flaws including feudalism and an absolute monarchy. I have heard it said that the best form of government would be a benevolent dictatorship but such is only as good as the "dictator" that is in power. Scriptures do not speak of a democracy or the constitutional representative republic that is our United States but I believe it is the best possible form of government we can hope for until the return of the "King of Kings!"
We could have regular citizens only run for Congress and president. Say if you made to much money you could not run . Say if you took money from special interest you would be put in jail. If you got paid even out of office for special interests you would go to jail. You could not take money for making a decision. No bribes. It also means billionaires could not run or contribute to the people running the government. But the billionaires would never surrender this .
 

Foxmeister

Active Member
There are issues with capitalism that may be attributed to man's sinful nature and such is only becoming worse the more man turns away from God. Every economic system has such flaws including feudalism and an absolute monarchy. I have heard it said that the best form of government would be a benevolent dictatorship but such is only as good as the "dictator" that is in power. Scriptures do not speak of a democracy or the constitutional representative republic that is our United States but I believe it is the best possible form of government we can hope for until the return of the "King of Kings!"
Greed is rampant regardless of what type of government is in place. I'll take capitalism any day. We've seen how poorly communism worked in the USSR, North Korea, and Cuba. China's communism model evolved to integrate state-controlled capitalism, transforming it into a global economic superpower.

In North Korea and Cuba there are two classes of people: The political elite and the poor. The USSR was like that. China is now somewhere in between now.

If people truly want to have economic freedom, then capitalism is the route to take because It's the only economic model where someone can go from rags to riches.
 

Conan

Well-Known Member
Greed is rampant regardless of what type of government is in place. I'll take capitalism any day. We've seen how poorly communism worked in the USSR, North Korea, and Cuba. China's communism model evolved to integrate state-controlled capitalism, transforming it into a global economic superpower.

In North Korea and Cuba there are two classes of people: The political elite and the poor. The USSR was like that. China is now somewhere in between now.

If people truly want to have economic freedom, then capitalism is the route to take because It's the only economic model where someone can go from rags to riches.
Although you might be correct, why do we have sanctions on poor people like Cuba, North Korea? Do we make them poor by our denying them medicines and many other goods. It is evil to keep poor people down with US (not UN) sanctions if they are so bad, why do we continue to restrict them and keep them down?
 

Armchair Apologist

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Greed is rampant regardless of what type of government is in place. I'll take capitalism any day. We've seen how poorly communism worked in the USSR, North Korea, and Cuba. China's communism model evolved to integrate state-controlled capitalism, transforming it into a global economic superpower.

In North Korea and Cuba there are two classes of people: The political elite and the poor. The USSR was like that. China is now somewhere in between now.

If people truly want to have economic freedom, then capitalism is the route to take because It's the only economic model where someone can go from rags to riches.
A capitalist economy with a representative republic form of government is the best possible scenario and the reason for which I love living in the United States. Capitalism devoid of any morality or sense of human decency ultimately leads to tyranny and pretty much the fulfulment of what Marx and Engals envisioned with their "Communist Manifesto."

Conservative Republicans (Christians) want to cut all the welfare and social programs but they often fail to realize that charity begins with the individual, not the government. We are commanded to "love thy neighbor" and once upon a time, it was the Church that had and managed all of the welfare and benevolence programs (soup kitchens, rescue missions, food pantries, etc.). All of this was abdicated to the government where "charity" was replaced with "entitlement." This is not something that is able to be fixed through government legislation, it is something that must be preceded by repentance and spiritual renewal.

I am all for cutting the welfare programs so long as the Church is ready to step up and become the social "safety net" that it once was.
 

Van

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No one was trying to promote Communism or Lenin. But we were trying to promote do not kill, do not steal. And what have we done since the fall of the USSR? Have we destroyed nations or fed them? We have homeless in the USA but we would rather spend our wealth on the Billionaires. Or rather let them use our wealth for their profit and not ours. Did you see Trump shaking hands with the Former Head of Al Quida? I say former because Al Quida changed their name to something else.

Edited to add, look what we have done to Germany's economy? The wall as bad as it was is nowhere near as bad as what we have done to them under the Trump, Biden, Trump regimes. They were the world's number 4 economy and a manufacturing powerhouse. What are they now? Why did we do that evil thing to the German people?
We have two economic models to consider, individual enterprise, or central command and control. The central command one makes the citizens slaves of the state. There is no need to change the subject.
 

Van

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There are issues with capitalism that may be attributed to man's sinful nature and such is only becoming worse the more man turns away from God. Every economic system has such flaws including feudalism and an absolute monarchy. I have heard it said that the best form of government would be a benevolent dictatorship but such is only as good as the "dictator" that is in power. Scriptures do not speak of a democracy or the constitutional representative republic that is our United States but I believe it is the best possible form of government we can hope for until the return of the "King of Kings!"
Scripture does speak of democracy, of rule by member vote, not the dictates of elitists. Individual enterprise describes God setting the choice of life or death before us, rather than dictating salvation without faith.
 

Ben1445

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You can look at it like he does and say “they, they…they… no matter which party they were elected from, they all have the same agenda.”

Or you could just recognize that there is more to what meets the political eye. That things will hasten to an end. That God has control of the situation in governments. There is a point where Christians should be able to recognize that God has the final say and nothing happens that takes God by surprise. God can allow and overcome whatever people do.
What we understand from Scripture is that God will allow only so much before as has been the case on smaller scales, the iniquity of men has reached the fullest extent of mercy that God will allow.

Take comfort in knowing that God is in control. Take action knowing that today is the accepted day. Now is the accepted time.
 

Anthony Pritchard

Well-Known Member
Scripture does speak of democracy, of rule by member vote, not the dictates of elitists. Individual enterprise describes God setting the choice of life or death before us, rather than dictating salvation without faith.
Scripture never presents democracy as a governing model. Moral choice is not political structure.
 

Salty

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Scripture does speak of democracy, of rule by member vote, not the dictates of elitists. Individual enterprise describes God setting the choice of life or death before us, rather than dictating salvation without faith.
Scripture reference?
 
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