Who Does The Pope Think That He Is??

First public prayer said TO the dead Pope John Paul today.

The Holy Father,
The Holy Mother,
The Holy Spirit ---

how many gods??

In Christ,

Bob

 

Bob,

When did "Holy" grow to mean "god"? Is the Holy Bible a god also?

 

The big problem with this statement is that the pope was being entrusted to Mary who "guided" the Pope each day! And that Mary is being called the Pope's mother! And that he is asking blessings from a dead man!

 

A prayer to --

the Holy Spirit.
the Holy Father
the Holy Son of God

For most non-Catholics that is a prayer to the Trinity.

For Catholics it is the ??? Pope and two members of the Trinity.

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Holy Spirit,
Holy Father,
Holy Mother

For Catholics that is 1 member of the trinity, the Pope and the Queen of the Universe.

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My point is just that in today's prayer TO The HOLY FATHER - it was a prayer to the deceased not to The Father.

In Christ,

Bob

 

It should also be noted Jesus taught his disciples to pray to "Our Father who art in heaven", not St. George, and St. Thomas and St. John Paul (oh sorry, they haven't given him sainthood yet, have they?). When Peter said about building tabernacles for Moses and Elijah and Jesus, it wasn't exactly encouraged, was it?

That crypt under St. Peters Basilica might be called a tabernacle or temple to all the dead Popes, though. And from what I hear of all that has been going on the last few days, there are a lot of people worshipping a dead Pope, who is no more than a mortal man, a sinner like the rest of us.

In diverting attention away from Christ and onto dead saints and once virgin mothers (she did have other children, you know, and none of the others were by immaculate conception), they are doing the work of Satan. I am not saying that there are no Christians in the Catholic Church, but the Church itself is heretical.

This has nothing to do with tolerance and all to do with Christian love. Love would have Catholics come to a true understanding of the Gospel and put their faith and trust in the ONLY ONE who can help and save them.

Dave

 

If you pray to "Our Father" then you have identified the King of the Universe - God the Father.

But if you pray to THE Holy Father and also the QUEEN of the Universe and Holy Mother... then you are just praying to the dignities/dieties/heavenly-royalty that the RCC has installed there for you to pray to.

Sounds confusing -- kinda like what the pagans who pray to the family gods have to keep track of...

Catholics of the 20th century publish the connection to paganism for the world to see and understand.

Pagan prayer methods.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Doesnt the pope just seem like another Roman Catholic idol to you? What in the world was this guy known for except sitting in a chair with an air of phoney piety, traveling all over the world accepting the false worship from a mass of people ignorant of their own religion and what the Scriptures say. In a couple of weeks they will forget all about him and another robot will take his place and go through all the same motions. Wont say anything new or write any great books. After all it is the office that is important, not the man.

 

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/JP02/index.htm

Yes, everybody who had gotten at all close to that pope has remarked how phoney his piety was. You just gave your hand away.

Yes, who could not see that this was the true situation?

So then you concede that the Catholic Church teaches against worship of anyone or anything except God?

While you're looking into the future, why don't you tell us who the next pope will be. I'm sure many of us are curious.

 

Are you saying that JP2 didn't say anything new or write any great books?

 

Yes thats right. If any of his books made the best sellers list and I know that they did, it is only because he is the pope. C,mon, the whole act is choreographed from the pious look on his face to his prayerful looking posture.

 

And what's with that staff he used to carry around?

 

John Paul II's crosier was the work of a Santa Fe sculptor

As tens of thousands of pilgrims pay their last respects to Pope John Paul II lying in state at the Vatican this week, their parting image will be of his serene face, white-and-crimson vestments and a lustrous silver staff held close under his left arm.

The staff, or crosier, is topped with a bowed crucifix and a gaunt yet unwavering Christ figure -- the work of Santa Fe sculptor Gib Singleton.

Singleton, who suffers from emphysema, declined to be interviewed by the Journal due to health problems and because he does not want to commercialize the pope's death, according to friends and Fenton Moore, director of Santa Fe's Gallerie Zuger, where Singleton's work is shown.

An 18-inch bronze version of the pope's crucifix is on display at Shidoni Foundry, about five miles north of Santa Fe. Singleton used to work at Shidoni, and some of his other religious figures, including a striking statue of Moses, are also on display there.

"Gib's the kind of person who can read someone's personality and can capture it three-dimensionally," Shidoni president Scott Hicks said Tuesday. "To see his work have meaning to someone so important as the pope is really great."

Singleton's sculptures are well-known around the world. Some of his pieces are featured in the permanent collections of the Vatican Museum, New York's Museum of Modern Art, the State of Israel and the Cowboy Hall of Fame in Oklahoma.

Years ago, Singleton was asked to assist in the restoration process when Michelangelo's Pieta was vandalized at the Vatican. He served as the Vatican's restoration specialist for three years.

Tommy Hicks, owner of Shidoni and Singleton's longtime friend, said Shidoni's bronze version of the crucifix like the one on the papal staff was likely made in 1975.

Hicks believes the silver version now on display as Pope John Paul II lies in state was made sometime earlier for a cardinal, who later gave it to the pope. It may have been cast in Italy, he said.

The signature features of Singleton's work are the resolute expressions on the figures' faces and knotty detail on hands and feet. His pieces also are known to contain elements of self-portraiture, with prominent noses and drawn facial features.

Although Singleton was born on a cotton farm in eastern Missouri, Scott Hicks described the prolific Singleton as a man with the spirit of old Santa Fe -- someone who "always calls the shots and does things his own way."

Singleton was educated at Southern Illinois University and the Art Institute of Chicago, where he won a Fulbright fellowship to Italy. The artist has also studied for his doctorate in Greek mythology and theology.

His talent may have been cultivated by education, but Tommy Hicks said the true genius behind Singleton's sculpture is his enthusiasm for his work.

"It's the passion he has for creativity," Hicks said. "His work has a very intense feeling. It really captures the action, so simple and powerful."


http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100012118&docId=l:270304925&start=5

 

Tam, my daughter's mother in law said 'It's like GOD died!' and a woman ahead of me at the eye surgeon yesterday was weeping and told the nurse 'I want to die. I have no reason to live! Our Pope has died!' She has a husband, children and grandchildren.

Deut. 5:7
'You shall have no other gods before Me'.

 

You folks have a short historical memory. Ever seen the films or read the comments when FDR died? It was the same thing, and he was only in office for 12 years, not 26, and only president of 130 million people, not pope of a billion. There are plenty of other examples, many that make the FDR example seem tame.

It's human nature, people. Stop making it out to be more than it is. There's nothing excessive in all this reaction to the pope's death, compared to what humans are capable of. Instead of being scandalized by the supposed excess, you should be impressed by the restraint.

 

If the pastor of your church died, I would think you would be sad, I know I would be. I've only known my pastor for a few months. If I'd known him 26 years, I would probably be very saddened by his death. Even though people didn't personally know the Pope, I think many people read his writings and felt like he was their personal pastor.

 

When someone you've looked up to for most (all) of your life dies, you're off kilter for awhile, and are likely to say and do things not in your nature. Insisting that this reflects the entirety of Catholicism is silly.

Any of you had a parent die? I did. Think about it.

 

How do you know?

Were you aware that his staff would go to look for him and find him prostrate on the floor praying for 4 hours at a time?

Do you speak with God like that on a regular basis?

Lord have mercy on us all for being so confident in our own spiritual superiority and speaking evil against others.

Lord have mercy on us all for bearing false witness without seeking the truth.