Who is ACORN?

[LeBuick]

Didn't Acorn endorse Obama?

Yep, just like the KKK endorsed McCain.

 

[LeBuick]

If Acorn is such a fine organization, why do they pay people to vote multiple times?

Why are they engaged in felonious voter fraud?.

Wrong on both statements...

They had employees who paid people to REGISTER multiple times.

None of these people have voted yet so there can't be voter fraud.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Yep, just like the KKK endorsed McCain.

McCain did not form the KKK, he has never worked for or with the KKK.

It's easy to tie Obama in with Acorn. You have to stretch to tie McCain with the KKK.

 

[LadyEagle]

ACORN has officially endorsed Obama and all the voters they are signing up are for Obama. It's called voter fraud.

One Ohio voter registered 73 times due to pressure from ACORN.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plain...yahoga/1223973289273860.xml&coll=2&thispage=1

ACORN is evil and so is Obama who has helped perpetrate fraud and strong arm or under the table tactics to even get the DNC nomination. See other threads.....

The whole election process is being tainted before our very eyes in ways never before attained, considering all the ongoing ACORN investigations in multiple states. They will win at any price and nothing is out of bounds to Obama and his supporters, even the Rule of Law.

 

[LeBuick]

McCain did not form the KKK, he has never worked for or with the KKK.

It's easy to tie Obama in with Acorn. You have to stretch to tie McCain with the KKK.

I don't have to stretch, Obama has neither work for or formed ACORN in this election just like McCain didn't work for or formed the KKK.

2. Obama didn't "form" ACORN.... Not that it would matter since it's been years since he did the training and I am sure a Harvard Law grad didn't teach them to break the law.

 

[LeBuick]

One Ohio voter registered 73 times due to pressure from ACORN..

I notice no one is saying anything about a person who would register 73 times... His word wouldn't stand up in court so who do we take his word now?

 

[LadyEagle]

I notice no one is saying anything about a person who would register 73 times... His word wouldn't stand up in court so who do we take his word now?

He testified before the Board of Elections yesterday in a hearing. Part of it was televised on cable news.....There is probably a youtube clip somewhere of his interview on camera, too. He was called in during the investigation. Why don't you read the Plain Dealer link I posted and get educated about these ACORN investigations before you make yourself look uninformed about current events? :tonofbricks:

 

[LeBuick]

He testified before the Board of Elections yesterday in a hearing. Part of it was televised on cable news.....There is probably a youtube clip somewhere of his interview on camera, too. He was called in during the investigation. Why don't you read the Plain Dealer link I posted and get educated about these ACORN investigations before you make yourself look uninformed about current events? :tonofbricks:

You missed my point, if registering 73 times was a crime, why didn't they arrest this guy when he testified before the Board of Elections? If what he did was a crime, then he was a criminal and should have been retained.

The answer, I don't believe a crime was committed. Kind of like Palin, it was an moral or ethical violation but not really a crime.

PS...

I did see it on the news last night, I don't think we have to worry about that guy voting. I think he was more interested in the compensation for the registration cards (cigarettes etc...)

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I don't have to stretch, Obama has neither work for or formed ACORN in this election just like McCain didn't work for or formed the KKK.

Obama's ties to ACORN are well documented. Established. You have to lie to say otherwise.

2. Obama didn't "form" ACORN.... Not that it would matter since it's been years since he did the training and I am sure a Harvard Law grad didn't teach them to break the law.

:laugh:

Yeah, our colleges are absloute bastions for those who respect American law....

Please, LeBuick.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Senator Obama has worked hand in glove with ACORN, the group under investigation for voter fraud in many states, for many years. You won’t find our press reporting these connections, so if you want the true facts on Barack Obama sometimes you have to read foreign papers, strange as it seems. Here you seen an article at Canada Free Press that outlines those recent legislative ties:

Not only did Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign pay more than U.S. $800,000 to a front of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform, Now, ACORN, currently under investigation in a dozen States for voter registration fraud and bribery schemes, for “get-out-the-vote-efforts”; Obama co-sponsored legislation called the “Helping Families Save their Homes in Bankruptcy Act of 2007”– that was supported by ACORN and protects them.
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On the surface the goal was noble, but like his record with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Barack’s efforts on the housing front led to zero results, unless you want to look at the monumental meltdown of financial companies from choking on sub prime loans forced down their throats, which is a very bad result. If you go to the areas Obama organized in, if you look at housing in his state, you see people no better off or worse off. See Here.
Acorn has fought foreclosures but also supported legislation that enabled this credit market meltdown for almost two decades. They are particularly responsible for helping raise the caps on permissible loan to values, lowering of the standards at Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac (FNMA & GMAC,) as well as legislation that increased the percent of subprime loans they had to carry. So in a way Acorn helped open the subprime floodgates and helped create a whole new class of victims to feed into their political causes.
You won’t see the McCain campaign bring this up for a few reasons. Even though Acorn and Democrat legislators created the sub-prime valley of vultures that poor people were fed into, even though they profited with donations from the very predatory lenders that they trailblazed the market for, it’s a no go simply because the defense will be to show America a non stop calvacade of poor people getting foreclosed upon. Poor people who were sold a dream that was really a nightmare by pernicious legislators who would rather crush our economy than lose an election....


http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/?p=3470

 

[Revmitchell]

Yep, just like the KKK endorsed McCain.

Isn't that DNC water bucket getting heavy? The reason I asked that question was because Ken insisted that Acorn was non-partisan. Since they endorsed Obama that cannot be true. So the next time you want to interject yourself find out what your talking about.

 

[rbell]

Wrong on both statements...

They had employees who paid people to REGISTER multiple times.

None of these people have voted yet so there can't be voter fraud.

From Obama's home state:

It is against the law for any person to make a false statement or claim or submit false identification to indicate that they are citizens in order to register to vote. It is also against the law for anyone to pay, offer to pay or accept payment for registering to vote. Charges of voter fraud can be made to the local U.S. Attorney’s Office, the Federal Bureau of Investigations or the Illinois State Board of Elections.

I am flabbergasted that this doesn't bother you.

 

[Bible-boy]

I don't have to stretch, Obama has neither work for or formed ACORN in this election just like McCain didn't work for or formed the KKK.

2. Obama didn't "form" ACORN.... Not that it would matter since it's been years since he did the training and I am sure a Harvard Law grad didn't teach them to break the law.

I'm sorry LeBuick but you pop off these kind of statements as if they are proven fact and we have repeatedly proven you wrong with documented evidence.

Here again you are clearly wrong. I don't know if it just because you react with knee-jerk reactions to anything that dares come against your chosen candidate, or if you willingly chose to ingore documented evidence, facts, and sources.

Here is an article that shows BHO's well documented connection to ACRON and the fact that he personally helped to train some of their leadership and sat on boards of foundations that gave financial support to ACRON:

This is a story we’ve largely missed. While Obama’s Acorn connection has not gone entirely unreported, its depth, extent, and significance have been poorly understood. Typically, media background pieces note that, on behalf of Acorn, Obama and a team of Chicago attorneys won a 1995 suit forcing the state of Illinois to implement the federal “motor-voter” bill. In fact, Obama’s Acorn connection is far more extensive. In the few stories where Obama’s role as an Acorn “leadership trainer” is noted, or his seats on the boards of foundations that may have supported Acorn are discussed, there is little follow-up. Even these more extensive reports miss many aspects of Obama’s ties to Acorn.

Source: http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=

See the article for the complete story.

And this article is even more eye opening:

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/25/the-acorn-obama-knows/

 

[Bible-boy]

More on the BHO/ACORN connection:

Obama's campaign website states:

Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
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Is that really a FACT, or just another lie? Let's take a look at a quote from a 2004 article - Case Study: Chicago- The Barack Obama Campaign - written by Toni Foulkes, a Chicago ACORN Leader, which was published in the journal Social Policy. Did we mention that Social Policy recently pulled this particular article from their website, while leaving links to all other articles up?

"Obama took the case, known as ACORN vs. Edgar (the name of the Republican governor at the time) and we won. Obama then went on to run a voter registration project with Project VOTE in 1992 that made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win the Senate that year. Project VOTE delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5,000 of them).
Since then, we have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and, as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office. Thus it was natural for many of us to be active volunteers in his first campaign for STate Senate and then his failed bid for U.S. Congress in 1996. By the time he ran for U.S. Senate, we were old friends."​

Source: http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7203

See the entire article for more details...:tonofbricks:
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[Bible-boy]

And the attempted cover-up by the Obama camp continues:

On Thursday we revealed the connection between Barack Obama and Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), and uncovered a 2004 article that discussed his involvement with the organization which had recently been removed from the web. Today, the cover-ups continue and language on Obama's fightthesmears.com website has been altered in order to make it look like he has been telling the truth about his ACORN associations all along.
Fortunately, we and many others online know how to do a screen capture and how to use a little something called Google Cache.
As of yesterday, Fightthesmears.com stated:

Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
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Sometime on Friday, the website was altered, and the text was changed to state:

Fact: ACORN never hired Obama as a trainer, organizer, or any type of employee.
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The mere fact that his campaign has now changed the language of the site shows that they have conceded the fact that their original remark was a bold-face lie. As a lawyer Sen. Obama should know the importance of language.
The original statement implied that he had no working connection with ACORN, whereas the new statement now insists that he has never been employed or hired by ACORN.
It is good to see the truth finally come out now, but why were they trying to hide his association with ACORN, and what else is Obama lying to us about? Perhaps the biggest question now is how and why they got the Social Policy article stricken from most of the world wide web in the first.place. What are they trying to hide?

Source: http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7231

Be sure to see the entire article for the full details...:tonofbricks:

 

[LeBuick]

I'm sorry LeBuick but you pop off these kind of statements as if they are proven fact and we have repeatedly proven you wrong with documented evidence.

Sorry to answer you all with one post but it seems you have formed a committee and planed to hold a meeting against me. Baptist...

Now if you would all be so kind as to look closely at my statement, you will find it to be true.

I don't have to stretch, Obama has neither work for or formed ACORN in this election just like McCain didn't work for or formed the KKK..

I clearly said THIS election. You guys are bringing up old ties to justify accusations of behavior in todays election. I am saying Obama has no connection to the organization who perpretrated these acts which is the organization as it is today.

The times he did work with ACORN was when he was a community organizer. This was back in the 90's. I still don't believe a group like ACORN would have the same workers out on corners as the ones Obama trained. For one, Obama did his training in Chicago and these people are all in other battleground states. I also found this caption interesting while on FActcheck today.

The $8-an-hour employees were charged with providing false information on a voter registration, and in one case with making a false statement to a public official. ACORN was fined for showing insufficient oversight, but it was not charged with masterminding any kind of fraud.

This by the way is the allegation made by the republican prosecutor. Now I'm trying to picture a guy making $8/hr treating this as a career choice and been doing it 10 or so years and I don't see a company who pays workers $8/hr sending employees to Chicago for training.

He did appearently give money to one of the branches of this organization for a get-out-the-vote effort but I'm sure the money didn't come with instructions on how to do the job.

To imply Obama has any connection to this fraud is ludicrous and a real stretch of the imagination. This is just another conservative attempt to shift voters attention from real issues like the economy, wars in two countries, unemployment on the rise and people without health care.

 

[LadyEagle]

Baptist...

What is that supposed to mean, LB?

 

[targus]

He did appearently give money to one of the branches of this organization for a get-out-the-vote effort but I'm sure the money didn't come with instructions on how to do the job.

To imply Obama has any connection to this fraud is ludicrous and a real stretch of the imagination.

Considering that ACORN has a documented four year history of faking voter registrations and forging signatures, Obama really didn't have to provide instructions on how to do the job.

In light of ACORN's history in this area wasn't it an act of poor judgement on Obama's part to hire ACORN out of all possible groups to organize a get-out-the-vote effort?

I thought that we wanted our next President to be able to make good choices.

 

[LadyEagle]

Considering that ACORN has a documented four year history of faking voter registrations and forging signatures, Obama really didn't have to provide instructions on how to do the job.

In light of ACORN's history in this area wasn't it an act of poor judgement on Obama's part to hire ACORN out of all possible groups to organize a get-out-the-vote effort?

I thought that we wanted our next President to be able to make good choices.

He did make a good choice since he wants to win at any cost!

 

[Bible-boy]

Sorry to answer you all with one post but it seems you have formed a committee and planed to hold a meeting against me. Baptist...

Now if you would all be so kind as to look closely at my statement, you will find it to be true.



I clearly said THIS election. You guys are bringing up old ties to justify accusations of behavior in todays election. I am saying Obama has no connection to the organization who perpretrated these acts which is the organization as it is today.

Spin it and twist it however much you like. There is a well documented connection between BHO and ACORN. He trained some of their leadership, he represented them in a legal action, he provided funding for them via his position on the board of a foundation, and the ACRON leadership is on record as referring to their relationship with BHO as "Old Friends." No one here is attempting to claim the BHO worked for ACRON during this election cycle. However, the record is clear ACORN went to work on behalf of BHO attempting to ensure his election even going so far as to commit voter fruad in several key battleground states.

The times he did work with ACORN was when he was a community organizer. This was back in the 90's. I still don't believe a group like ACORN would have the same workers out on corners as the ones Obama trained. For one, Obama did his training in Chicago and these people are all in other battleground states.

If you believe what you just said here you are more naive than can be imagined. People with a personal investment in a political agenda spend their enitre adult lives working to push that political agenda. Just apply your statement to the NAACP. Do you really believe that no one who worked for the cause of the NAACP in the 1950-60s remains involved in that organization today? If so I say nonsense.

I also found this caption interesting while on FActcheck today.



This by the way is the allegation made by the republican prosecutor. Now I'm trying to picture a guy making $8/hr treating this as a career choice and been doing it 10 or so years and I don't see a company who pays workers $8/hr sending employees to Chicago for training.

He did appearently give money to one of the branches of this organization for a get-out-the-vote effort but I'm sure the money didn't come with instructions on how to do the job.

To imply Obama has any connection to this fraud is ludicrous and a real stretch of the imagination. This is just another conservative attempt to shift voters attention from real issues like the economy, wars in two countries, unemployment on the rise and people without health care.

No it is an attempt by honest people here on the BB to expose the fraud and attempted destruction of our electorial process by the Leftists (Communists and Socialists) in our country. Likewise, it is an attempt by honest people here on the BB to expose the lies of the Obama Campaign regarding his connection to this organization. He flat out lied about his connection to ACORN in the debate Wednesday night and his official campaign website contained the same lies and has now been altered (fortunately we have screen shots and google caches of the original material to prove the point).