Who is Lying About Iraq?

Emotions run high here not simply because a world-view is in danger of a needed up-grade (the US is the best of all countries) but because innocent men, women and children have died by the actions of a man who is convinced he was told to invade by God.

What makes the situation worse is that there were no Iraqis involved on Sept 11 rather they were mostly Saudis citizens. Both the Un & US army inspectors told the US that Hussein had no WMDs.

So most of us in the rest of the world consider this was about oil actually

Kiwimac

[ November 11, 2005, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: kiwimac ]

 

1) Most analysts in the U.S and in the world thought that the evidence proved otherwise. Evidently, they ended up being wrong but that could not have been known prior to invading Iraq.

2) Yeah, the U.S. has really benefitted oil-wise from invading Iraq. NOT!

 

"Iraq is continuing, and in some areas expanding its chemical, biological, nuclear, and missile programs contrary to UN resolutions."
George Tenet


"The discovery of a number of 122-mm chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at a storage depot 170 km southwest of Baghdad was much publicized. This was a relatively new bunker, and therefore the rockets must have been moved there in the past few years, at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions. . . . They could also be the tip of a submerged iceberg. The discovery of a few rockets does not resolve but rather points to the issue of several thousands of chemical rockets that are unaccounted for."
Hans Blix

"I can’t tell you why the French, the Germans, the Brits, and us thought that most of the material, if not all of it, that we presented at the UN on 5 February 2003 was the truth. I can’t. I’ve wrestled with it. [But] when you see a satellite photograph of all the signs of the chemical-weapons ASP-Ammunition Supply Point-with chemical weapons, and you match all those signs with your matrix on what should show a chemical ASP, and they’re there, you have to conclude that it’s a chemical ASP, especially when you see the next satellite photograph which shows the UN inspectors wheeling in their white vehicles with black markings on them to that same ASP, and everything is changed, everything is clean. . . . But George [Tenet] was convinced, John McLaughlin [Tenet’s deputy] was convinced, that what we were presented [for Powell’s UN speech] was accurate."
Lawrence Wilkerson, (Colin Powell chief of staff)

"Iraq’s efforts to acquire aluminum tubes [which are] central to the argument that Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear-weapons program. . . . INR is not persuaded that the tubes in question are intended for use as centrifuge rotors . . . in Iraq’s nuclear-weapons program."
(In explaining its dissent on Iraq’s nuclear program, the INR had, as stated in the NIE of 2002, expressed doubt about)

"The French came in in the middle of my deliberations at the CIA and said, we have just spun aluminum tubes, and by God, we did it to this RPM, et cetera, et cetera, and it was all, you know, proof positive that the aluminum tubes were not for mortar casings or artillery casings, they were for centrifuges. Otherwise, why would you have such exquisite instruments?"
Lawrence Wilkerson

"I participated in a Washington meeting about Iraqi WMD. Those present included nearly twenty former inspectors from the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), the force established in 1991 to oversee the elimination of WMD in Iraq. One of the senior people put a question to the group: did anyone in the room doubt that Iraq was currently operating a secret centrifuge plant? No one did. Three people added that they believed Iraq was also operating a secret calutron plant (a facility for separating uranium isotopes)"

Kenneth Pollack, who served in the National Security Council under Clinton.


"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons-of-mass-destruction program."
Bill Clinton


"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Burgler

"..........to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons-of-mass-destruction programs."
John Kerry, Carl Levin, Tom Dashle

Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons-of-mass-destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.
Nancy Pelosi

"There is no doubt that . . . Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical, and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf war status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
In a letter to the new President, GW, from a number of Senators led by Bob Graham.

"Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations, and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Senator Carl Levin

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical- and biological-weapons stock, his missile-delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members."

Senator Clinton

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. . . . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Jay Rockefeller

'We know that [Saddam] has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
"Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-if necessary-to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Al Gore

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Ted Kennedy

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical- and biological-warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapon."
Robert Byrd

"of all the booby traps left behind by the Clinton administration, none is more dangerous-or more urgent-than the situation in Iraq. Over the last year, Mr. Clinton and his team quietly avoided dealing with, or calling attention to, the almost complete unraveling of a decade’s efforts to isolate the regime of Saddam Hussein and prevent it from rebuilding its weapons of mass destruction. That leaves President Bush to confront a dismaying panorama in the Persian Gulf [where] intelligence photos . . . show the reconstruction of factories long suspected of producing chemical and biological weapons."
The Washinton Post

Am I to believe that Geroge Bush was able to mislead all these people? Even before he was elected President? The only conclusion that one could come to is that Hussein did have WMD Or that they are somewhere hidden in Iraq or moved to another country or destoyed by him before we got there. The same democrats who are criticizing Bush for getting us involved in this war are the very sane ones who criticized his father for not chasing Saddam all the way to Bagdad and finishing the job. Remember?

 

Bush's dad and Bill Clinton were convinced that Saddam had WMD's because they made sure he got them beforehand with alittle help from the rest of the elvish imps in the congress who are now trying to cover their own complicity.

Quite a history behind arming and supporting the regimes we just have to go to war with because we helped them secure weapons we don't trust them with. War = big bucks and more control to the globalists my friends. Let's start some more!

 

That possibly could have been known had the inspections been allowed to continue. The Bush administration said that the inspections could not continue because they knew that there were weapons and approximately where they were located (Powell). They maintained that speed was of the essence (45 minutes to mushroom clouds) and that the inspections were taking to long.

They grossly miscalculated. The preliminary studies by Haliburton were for securing the oil fields and fighting those fires; too little attention was paid to the State Department's recommendations for managing civil order and maintaining the infrastructure.

 

Hallibuton has one of their own in the state dept now. Condi for prez!

 

Who will you vote for ?

 

Listening to the best available evidence does not constitute lies.

Kiwimac, you and your cohorts of the world community will just have to believe whatever it is you're already predisposed to believe. No explanations or evidence will change your minds.

 

I honestly don't know Bro Curtis, I mean I can go through all the rigamaroll to vote on the flawed Diebold and ES&S e-voting machines that have been proven to be easily manipulated. Who my vote would go to would be up to the manipulators.

 

So then, you are admitting that Bush is right about WMD's

 

The whole point of going into Iraq was the fact that we could not find the WMD's that Saddam himself claimed he had.

We KNOW Saddam DID have certain WMD substances....the inspectors went back in during the second round of inspections and could not find the ones that they HAD found the first time. Saddam was moving them, and he WOULD NOT tell anyone what he was doing with them or where they were going. He would not tell anyone if they were being destroyed, or if he had sold them to terrorists, or if he was developing them further in secret labs......

Someone in here said they wanted MORE inspections? How long were they supposed to look? Until Saddam got his nuclear weapons and nuked all of Manhattan?

What, did you want more UN resolutions, too? There were already 14 which Saddam refused to comply with.

Saddam knew what he was doing. He simply believed that there would be no consequences for his actions.....and up until Bush there were none.

Bush did not lie. He based his actions on intelligences which have NOT been proven wrong....yet the media and Dems continue to call him a liar.

We didn't find the WMDs....they were missing BEFORE we went in. Its not that big of a shock that we haven't found them yet. Most likely they were moved out of the country, or underground. We may never find them. Thats not the point.

 

I totally agree with having Condi Rice as our next president. What connection is there between Dr. Rice and Halliburton?

 

1) Even Joe Wilson, the husband of Valerie Plame, even admitted that everyone believed that Iraq had WMDs. I provided the link to the video of him several months back.

2) Yeah. That's would be expertise of an oil services company.

 

Plus,
you tell me how hard it would be to hide some things from a team of what...14 guys? on the inspection team? Im thinking the number of inspectors that were allowed in was even smaller than that. Maybe someone else has the exact number.

But how hard would it be to just cart things back and forth or not allow the inspectors into certain areas? They did that ya know.

The inspectors were a joke......and no one should think that they had the possibility of being effective against a dictator of an entire country.

 

I totally agree with having Condi Rice as our next president. What connection is there between Dr. Rice and Halliburton? </font>[/QUOTE]The tie that binds this administration together, oil and gas.

 

So then, you are admitting that Bush is right about WMD's </font>[/QUOTE]So then you are admiting that George Sr. and Bill Clinton helped to create and support the monster in the first place.

What's more important to you anyways, that Bush knew Saddam had evil weapons or that his ole man and Bill Clinton made sure Saddam had the evil weapons?

We gave you the pretext Jr. now go get him!

 

So are we supposed to stop helping countries militarily because 20 or 30 years down the road their leader may go off the deep end? I dont think that Clinton or Bush One supplied Saddaam with the chemical weapons he used against the Kurds. What weapons are you referring to? If it waqs a mistake to supply sadaam with weapons for his fight with Iran, then is it wrong to supply Israel also? After all there may be a dictator in their future.

 

I *heart* you Bapmom. Just because they were not found doesn't mean they were never there. C'mon, they knew we were looking for them.

If one was a drug smuggler and got word the DEA was going to raid their house, would they keep the drugs there? No, common sense. The whole "lying" bit gets old after a while. The administration was going based on the intelliegence they had available.