Who is the Serpents Seed/Offspring !

[savedbymercy]

Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?[Rom. 9:21]

The 'same lump of clay' is all of mankind that came from Adam. The 'special purposes' are the sheep and the 'some for common use' the goats.

What that poster is stating is the fall of Adam affected the sheep only, and they will be restored. The fall of Cain affected the goats, and they will not be restored. Thereby, he is stating two falls, two seeds, two seedism teaching at it pinnacle.

Slander and misrepresentation!

 

[Don]

SBM - please see post #35.

 

[Don]

SBM - seeing as you've made at least two posts in another thread since I last posted in this thread -- does that mean you're not going to answer my question? Or that you're still working on the answer?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Thats a good passage,

Yes it is.

we see from it that the devil somehow is responsible for the sowing of the tares, his children !

Good so far.

It probably had something to do with deception of Eve, but it was not anything sexual, but whatever it was it constituted that now Adam and Eve would physically bring his offspring into the word, like cain was 1 Jn 3:12

Still good.

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

And we know that cain came about by Adam and Eve having a normal sexual relation Gen 4:1

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

Still good.

But God declared him a child of the wicked one ! I believe it means that he was never one to be conformed to the image of Christ because he belonged to the devil, not to Christ !

I tend to think it was more to due with the wickedness of his heart in that he lured Abel out into the field and killed him. I do not think any of us know if he was a sheep or goat. Look at Saul of Tarsus. He was one of the more vile men we can read of in the bible, yet he penned 13 of the NT books.

Remember the good seed was first sown by who ? Matt 13:37

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

Thats Adam and man in him being made in the Image and Likeness of God Gen 1:26, thats the good seed !

Good still.

Now, I pray that you will answer this one question for me. Whose image was Cain made in?

 

[savedbymercy]

Yes it is.



Good so far.




Still good.



Still good.



I tend to think it was more to due with the wickedness of his heart in that he lured Abel out into the field and killed him. I do not think any of us know if he was a sheep or goat. Look at Saul of Tarsus. He was one of the more vile men we can read of in the bible, yet he penned 13 of the NT books.



Good still.

Now, I pray that you will answer this one question for me. Whose image was Cain made in?

Did you read my points made thus far? Please review them with me to see if you understand them!

 

[SovereignGrace]

Did you read my points made thus far? Please review them with me to see if you understand them!

That is the problem, mon ami. I did review them. I have reread them and I am still unsure what you are posting. I could reread them 100 times and still would not be sure what you are trying to espouse. That is why I have asked you for some clarity.

 

[savedbymercy]

soveg

and I am still unsure what you are posting.

Then you are not ready to discuss or debate what I posted ! One of the keys to debating an opponents points, is to understand their point, then oppose it or prove it wrong with scripture !

What you are doing is called rabbit trailing away from my points made !

 

[SovereignGrace]

And so if all whom were created in Adam, don't be confirmed into the conformity to the Image of Christ, who is the Image of God, then satan has defeated God's Creative Purpose for man in Adam, when Created in the Image and Likeness of God !

The only ones not to be conformed to Christ's Image, the Image of God, are the serpents seed, for they were never the Seed of Christ, they were added to Adam's Natural Headship because of transgression, but it was not so with them in the very beginning !

This is where I am not sure what you are espousing. To me, it appears to be just like the 'Kenite doctrine' that Arthur Murray and The Shepherd's Chapel taught. They taught the the 'Kenites' were the offspring of Cain. None of them would be saved. They, however, taught that Satan(Serpent) and Eve had 'relatations' and Cain was their offspring. I know you do not believe that, by the way, mon ami.


Either way, it is a bad doctrine. When Adam fell, the whole race fell. Out of the whole human race, God chose His sheep and left the goats in their fallen state. The sheep are the 'good seed' and the goats are the 'bad seed'. The 'bad seed' came from Adam just the same as the 'good seed' did. The 'good seed' are good only because they were chosen in Christ from the foundation of the world. The 'bad seed' are bad because God has chosen to left them in their fall condition.

 

[SovereignGrace]

soveg



Then you are not ready to discuss or debate what I posted ! One of the keys to debating an opponents points, is to understand their point, then oppose it or prove it wrong with scripture !

What you are doing is called rabbit trailing away from my points made !

No I am not mon ami. I can not debate what I can not truly understand, truly grasp. You need to help me have a clearer understanding of your position. Then I can discuss them, debate them, with you. Please clarify your thoughts. Please?

 

[savedbymercy]

This is where I am not sure what you are espousing. To me, it appears to be just like the 'Kenite doctrine' that Arthur Murray and The Shepherd's Chapel taught. They taught the the 'Kenites' were the offspring of Cain. None of them would be saved. They, however, taught that Satan(Serpent) and Eve had 'relatations' and Cain was their offspring. I know you do not believe that, by the way, mon ami.


Either way, it is a bad doctrine. When Adam fell, the whole race fell. Out of the whole human race, God chose His sheep and left the goats in their fallen state. The sheep are the 'good seed' and the goats are the 'bad seed'. The 'bad seed' came from Adam just the same as the 'good seed' did. The 'good seed' are good only because they were chosen in Christ from the foundation of the world. The 'bad seed' are bad because God has chosen to left them in their fall condition.

I have not mentioned one thing about cains offspring, you brought that up. If you want to debate or discuss what I posted, then stick to what I posted, not what you read from somewhere else, you need to find the source who stated the things you inquiring about and ask them, not me !

 

[SovereignGrace]

I have not mentioned one thing about cains offspring, you brought that up. If you want to debate or discuss what I posted, then stick to what I posted, not what you read from somewhere else, you need to find the source who stated the things you inquiring about and ask them, not me !

Whose image was Cain made in?

 

[savedbymercy]

No I am not mon ami. I can not debate what I can not truly understand, truly grasp. You need to help me have a clearer understanding of your position. Then I can discuss them, debate them, with you. Please clarify your thoughts. Please?

Once you show/prove you have grasped what I posted so far, then i can trust you can grasp what I build upon that ! If not, you can shoot rabbit trail diversion questions without ceasing !

 

[savedbymercy]

Whose image was Cain made in?

Read my thread !

 

[SovereignGrace]

Read my thread !

Are you saying Cain was made in the image of Satan? This what it appears like you are espousing.

 

[savedbymercy]

Are you saying Cain was made in the image of Satan? This what it appears like you are espousing.

I said what I said about cain in my thread, ! What you find in my thread stated about cain, is what I stated about cain !

 

[SovereignGrace]

I said what I said about cain in my thread, ! What you find in my thread stated about cain, is what I stated about cain !

Yes you did, mon ami. You are saying that Cain is made in the image of Satan. How did God take of Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?[Rom. 9:21] The sheep and goats came from the same lump of clay, mon ami. Cain was made in the image of Adam just as Seth was.[Gen. 5:3] Both are the marred image of God due to Adam's transgression.

 

[savedbymercy]

Yes you did, mon ami. You are saying that Cain is made in the image of Satan. How did God take of Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?[Rom. 9:21] The sheep and goats came from the same lump of clay, mon ami. Cain was made in the image of Adam just as Seth was.[Gen. 5:3] Both are the marred image of God due to Adam's transgression.

I stated what I stated. Show me the quote of mine where I am saying cain was made in the image of satan ?

 

[SovereignGrace]

I stated what I stated. Show me the quote of mine where I am saying cain was made in the image of satan ?

Your posts, mon ami.

Post #1
The only ones not to be conformed to Christ's Image, the Image of God, are the serpents seed, for they were never the Seed of Christ, they were added to Adam's Natural Headship because of transgression, but it was not so with them in the very beginning !

Post #8
But God declared him a child of the wicked one ! I believe it means that was never one to be conformed to the image of Christbecause he belonged to the devil, not to Christ !

Post #28
Was Adam the Federal Head of all mankind by nature as his Creation ? Now many of you would answer yes to this question, however I don't believe that is accurate according to the scriptures, instead I believe the scripture teaches that Adam was the Federal head and representative of all men who were created/made in the Image and Likeness of God Gen 1:26

The last one, post #28, you stated that Adam was not the Federal Head of all mankind, just the sheep, the ones were made, created in the image of God. Now, if Cain is of the wicked one in the manner you are stating it, was he still made in God's image?

 

[savedbymercy]

I am waiting for the quote ? If you dont provide the quote, admit that you have misrepresented me !

 

[SovereignGrace]

I am waiting for the quote ? If you dont provide the quote, admit that you have misrepresented me !

I produced three, mon ami.