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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by J.D., Aug 11, 2006.

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  1. John of Japan

    John of Japan Well-Known Member
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    Well, I wondered about this. I've never thought from anything that Criswell said or did that he was a Calvinist. :flower: (Not a tulip, and only has four petals.:tongue3: )
     
    #21 John of Japan, Aug 20, 2006
  2. El_Guero

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    So are 4 petals a clover?

    ;)
     
    #22 El_Guero, Aug 21, 2006
  3. Revmitchell

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    EXACTLY!:thumbs:

    People ned to get over Calvin and Arminian. Isnt it possible to state your doctrinal position without saying you are a Calvinist or an Arminian? How about being in Christ and leaving it that way.
     
    #23 Revmitchell, Aug 21, 2006
  4. John of Japan

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    Dunno. Looks like a daisy to me!
     
    #24 John of Japan, Aug 21, 2006
  5. John of Japan

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    It certainly is possible. I do it all the time, no matter that some BB types think for some reason you have to be one or another--or it's not fair, I guess. (ALERT TO CALVINISTS: THIS WAS A JOKE! :smilewinkgrin: ) And you are never allowed to use the term Biblicist, according to some of them!

    As one of my mentors used to say about the issue, "I'm willing to let God have some secrets." :thumbs:
     
    #25 John of Japan, Aug 21, 2006
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    It's possible but it takes a lot longer. Saying that you are in Christ, for a Christian, is a lot like telling someone that you are a human kind of person. It really doesn't tell them anything that they didn't already know, and it doesn't address the question of your doctrinal position at all. So why is that a good answer?
     
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  7. J.D.

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    Who am I taking out of context, Norris or Criswell? Did you not READ the post on Criswell and the post on ABC's Statement Of Faith? Just click on the link to Criswell's sermon. READ IT. Then tell me I took his statements out of context.

    Go to the ABC web site. READ the statement of faith. Then tell me if I took anything out of context. Oh, it might not be the Westminster Confession, but I gaurantee you there's not a synergist in the world that believes that regeneration comes before faith. If anyone claims such a thing, they are lying to themselves. Pre-faith regeneration is a core tenent of calvinism.
     
    #27 J.D., Aug 22, 2006
  8. John of Japan

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    I just did re-read it. You're thinking wishfully, J. D. The ABC statement does not say what you are saying it does.
     
    #28 John of Japan, Aug 22, 2006
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    The commentary on Romans 8:30 shows that God's forknowledge comes before His predestination of the elect. This is a strong current within historic Baptist distinctives.

    Another strong current of Baptist theology. John 2:2 the commentary says: "the universal extent of the atonement of Christ is nowhere clearer than here".

    So from your background you read into a statement what I would not read into it.
     
    #29 El_Guero, Aug 22, 2006
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    Many if not most Baptists that are accredited with being 'calvinists' really are closer to what is described as new light calvinism . . .
     
    #30 El_Guero, Aug 22, 2006
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    Who said this?


    http://www.wacriswell.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/Search.Transcripts/sermon/213.cfm
     
    #31 El_Guero, Aug 22, 2006
  12. John of Japan

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    Certainly not Norris--you havent' even quoted him! :smilewinkgrin:

    I've been reading my Inside History, with several sermons of Norris in it. No way was that man a Calvinist! He preached the Gospel and did door to door soul winning as if Christ died for every person on earth, and it was his responsibility to win them to Christ.
     
    #32 John of Japan, Aug 22, 2006
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    There seem to be some false distinctions in your thinking JOJ . I am sure you don't believe that only non-Calvinists are preaching the Gospel . The GC is the commission pressed upon all Christians , so it is our responsiblity to declare the Word to all .

    As for the belief that He died for every person on earth -- He did not die for , in the stead and place of those who He did not elect before the foundation of the world . Those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life only are His own . But these matters are not new to you , I am sure .
     
    #33 Rippon, Aug 22, 2006
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  15. John of Japan

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    You misread my post. I did not say that Calvinists do not preach the Gospel. Look again at my wording.
    Very very old to me.
     
    #35 John of Japan, Aug 23, 2006
  16. Brother Bob

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    J. D.
    said it!

    He did, He did!
     
    #36 Brother Bob, Aug 23, 2006
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    What did he say this time?

     
    #37 El_Guero, Aug 23, 2006
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