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WHO should Pastor's Allow to Speak to their Congregations?

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Zaac

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If I were pastoring a Primitive Baptist church today, I wouldn't allow any PB to preach who held to Absolute Predestination. There are those who do, but I think most old timer PB's have them identified so it wouldn't be a problem. I know I wouldn't want a PB preacher based somewhere in Indiana to preach, because they hold to a no-hell doctrine in that church.
Heck, when I was pastoring a PB church some years ago, I didn't even want that church to be associated with the modernism that tried to bite into our people at that time like it tried to during the Black Rock address era.
But looking at some of the answers here, like the ones about the CoC I couldn't help but shake my head and sigh.
How sure are we that the doctrines we hold on to today, regardless of Baptist denomination, would be accepted into fellowship by the churches that sprouted out and branched off from the Jerusalem church down through the ages ?
Or how sure are we that we would allow offshoots of even, say, 5th century churches into our pulpits ?
Not to say denominations are not good, they are, like doctrines
Helps to keep purity of denominational doctrines within, and if the New Testament church is to be the pattern, well, I would say it certainly is encouraged, but we need to keep in mind the why by considering the context in which they lived, then.
But if doctrines are to be the bases for our judging who is redeemed and saved andwho is not, especially among those of other denominational churches, well, we'd be kicking each other out of heaven, for sure.

I don't think it matters as we are in the 21st century dealing with the issue based upon our doctrine and discernment from the Holy Spirit NOW.

The Holy Spirit should be delivering the same discernment today as it did 16 centuries ago.
 

Yeshua1

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COC members across the country are not a monolithic group. I would be careful with that broad brush. The area in which I live is predominately COC. None of the ones that I have met hold to that.

true, for those holding to strict doctrines of their church would say baptists as going to hell if they were not water baptized!
 

preacher4truth

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Doeshn't the C of C though teach no water baptism, no salvation?

It's a well known fact they teach this. My family was and is CoC and they all believe this. Again this is one of their most well known false doctrines. Anyone denying this is denying historical fact. :type:
 

Yeshua1

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It's a well known fact they teach this. My family was and is CoC and they all believe this. Again this is one of their most well known false doctrines. Anyone denying this is denying historical fact. :type:

they would be like the Oneness church, teaching works to add to grace!
 
There are lot of different versions of the Church of Christ. Some, as Revmitchell has said, do not hold to the necessity for water baptism for regeneration. Some do. It depends on what part of the country one is in, and on the teaching of the pastors' teachers as to what they convey to their congregants.
 

preacher4truth

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There are lot of different versions of the Church of Christ. Some, as Revmitchell has said, do not hold to the necessity for water baptism for regeneration. Some do. It depends on what part of the country one is in, and on the teaching of the pastors' teachers as to what they convey to their congregants.

OK. Give some documented proof that CoC denies this historical doctrine regionally. :thumbsup:
 

A Penny Saved

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If I wanted to know what a CoC belives I wouldn't ask a Baptist, I'd ask someone in the CoC.
http://bit.ly/15vxvdJ

Same goes for any other denomination. I can really see the advantages of having a Confession or some specific summary of a church's doctrine.

Penny
 

Zaac

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If I wanted to know what a CoC belives I wouldn't ask a Baptist, I'd ask someone in the CoC.
http://bit.ly/15vxvdJ

Same goes for any other denomination. I can really see the advantages of having a Confession or some specific summary of a church's doctrine.

Penny

The first says it saves us.
The second link says that it is a necessary part of conversion.
The third link says
The Church of Christ [COC] Religion is straight out of the pits of Hell. They teach that water baptism is absolutely essential to go to heaven. This is the same damnable heresy which Roman Catholicism and Lutheranism teaches.

The fourth link says
Once a person accepts that gospel from the heart, places his or her faith in Jesus to save him from hell and put him in heaven, repents of his past, and is baptized, he moves into the Christian life - the life of the saved

The fifth link says
The Churches of Christ also teach that Christians can lose salvation by apostatizing. Many understand faith as an intellectual acceptance of the biblical facts about Jesus. They believe that Christians may sin in such a way that they lose their salvation.

Churches of Christ teach that baptism by immersion for believers is essential for the remission of sins and is necessary for salvation.
 

Mexdeaf

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Got em hooked now. I doubt it. Like with the Mormon, it can be justified because it's what we want.


This is the most inane statement regarding DD I have seen on this board. You are judging people you have never met based on faulty reasoning.
 

Zenas

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If I wanted to know what a CoC belives I wouldn't ask a Baptist, I'd ask someone in the CoC.
http://bit.ly/15vxvdJ

Same goes for any other denomination. I can really see the advantages of having a Confession or some specific summary of a church's doctrine.

Penny
You are so right--on both points. There is a lot being said about CoC here that is just plain wrong.
 

Zaac

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This is the most inane statement regarding DD I have seen on this board. You are judging people you have never met based on faulty reasoning.

You call it faulty reasoning. I call it good observation. I don't have to have met the entirety of Christendom to rightfully point out that a lot of evangelicals and folks in the church spoke very little about cults and false teachings as they have for decades during the last election cycle because what they wanted outweighed that.

So no ,much like the Presidential election, I don't believe folks are beyond not letting them speak to their congregations, even if they knew of their incorrect doctrine simply because we've set a precedent of ignoring the unGodly or marking it as not relevant to the situation at hand if it gets us what we want.
 

Mexdeaf

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You call it faulty reasoning. I call it good observation. I don't have to have met the entirety of Christendom to rightfully point out that a lot of evangelicals and folks in the church spoke very little about cults and false teachings as they have for decades during the last election cycle because what they wanted outweighed that.

So no ,much like the Presidential election, I don't believe folks are beyond not letting them speak to their congregations, even if they knew of their incorrect doctrine simply because we've set a precedent of ignoring the unGodly or marking it as not relevant to the situation at hand if it gets us what we want.

If a mule and you got into a stubborn contest, you would win. And that's nothing to brag about.
 
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