Who were Jezebel and Baal ?

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I am speaking hypothetically.

OK, but I was addressing a concern related to the stated reason for the ban and pointed out that the mods should be notified if posts seem out of line.

I do appreciate your wanting things to be as right as they can be and would hope we all want that, but the mods/admin are the ones to clarify the rules here (even hypothetically), not I.

 

[robycop3]

This interpretation refers to the whole Christian church, held in the right hand of Christ....

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 1:20-2:1

There have been those who have used this interpretation to try to make themselves head of a church, such as William Branham. But Angel is plural, everyone saved is an angel, or messenger to his particular church, held in the right hand of God. Don’t let false teachers ruin this interpretation.

The Baptist church did not come along until Sardisean times. I have been to Baptist churches who were Philadelphian in nature. So, I am saying the Baptist church is influenced by three of the seven ages...

1. Sardis - A gem is elegant, so these people tend to be more clean cut
2. Philadelphia- Brotherly love - I have experienced this in the Freewill Baptist foot washing service
3. Laodicea - Most Baptist churches frown on “going Charismatic”

The times effect the churches.

This stuff is garbage. The "7 church ages" bunk was invented by John Darby in England & first extensively promoted in the US by William M. Branham, who was clearly a charlatan.

You can see in any encyclopedia that all 7 of those churches existed at the same time, and, while there have been TYPES of them around ever since, there have NOT been successive "church ages". There's only been ONE "church age' since jesus was here, & we're still in it-the AGE OF GRACE.

I highly recommend you abandon that false "church age" trash & disassociate yourself from whatever jabroney taught it to you.

 

[robycop3]

Jezebel raised her head in Thyatirean times, from Charlemagne to Martin Luther, and was mostly Catholic.

No such thing as "Thyatirean times".

 

[robycop3]

Then "John Gill" (a Baptist, noted commentator, etc) found it where when he cited scriptures for it? Where did all the others, cited, find it when they also cited scriptures?

They generally followed Darby's garbage. It's not in Scripture.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Be careful in your arguementation, Gill died (1771) lng before Darby was born (1800).

They generally followed Darby's garbage. It's not in Scripture.

 

[robycop3]

Sorry, but I did not follow whatever thread was related to the ban. I came to this thread to read comments about Jezebel and Baal. I also don’t set the rules or apply them to others. Like I said, I’m not a mod and don’t speak for them, and I’m certainly not an admin (I have yet to reach my first “anniversary”--oops, 2nd one). Whatever concerns may be should be taken up with them.

The thread was the now-closed "Polynesian prayer beads" thread.

 

[robycop3]

Be careful in your arguementation, Gill died (1771) lng before Darby was born (1800).

But Darby made it more-known to the public in general.

As for Branham, I remember his claim he was under God's protection. Apparently, he got behind on his dues as he was killed by a drunk driver in 1965. Man was a quack.

 

[rockytopva]

This stuff is garbage. The "7 church ages" bunk was invented by John Darby in England & first extensively promoted in the US by William M. Branham, who was clearly a charlatan.

You can see in any encyclopedia that all 7 of those churches existed at the same time, and, while there have been TYPES of them around ever since, there have NOT been successive "church ages". There's only been ONE "church age' since jesus was here, & we're still in it-the AGE OF GRACE.

I highly recommend you abandon that false "church age" trash & disassociate yourself from whatever jabroney taught it to you.

This may be hard for you to believe, and I am sorry, but the church did not come off of Noah's Ark Baptist!

 

[Squire Robertsson]

My point was Gill couldn't get his position from Darby.

Be careful in your argumentation, Gill died (1771) long before Darby was born (1800).

But Darby made it more-known to the public in general.

 

[rockytopva]

I must say folks, having read into William Branham, that I can understand anyone detesting the guy and his teachings. Please know it is the way of demonic spirits to mix truth with error. And Branham taught this to make himself head of the present day church. But we all know that this was arrogance. There was a degree of truth in that the church would change down through the ages, and I believe Revelation was Christ's way of addressing the issues that would befall us down through the church times.

 

[1689Dave]

A member was banned for calling me & other Baptists "Jezebel". now, Bible-readers know she was the wife of Ahab, Israel's most-evil king ever, but here's a little more skinny about her.

She was the daughter of Ithobaal 1, king of Tyre, & given in marriage to Ahab to cement the friendship between Tyre & Israel. Her name literally means "Where is the prince or lord?" & also "consort of Baal". We know she was thoroughly evil, plotting the murder of Naboth so Ahab could have his land, among other things, such as promoting the worship of Baal by Israel. Today, her name is used as a term for "a very evil woman" & is considered in English to be one of the worst bad names a woman can be called, even worse than "harlot" & like terms. I suspect that's why that member was banned. (I am male, of course !) Also, Athaliah, an equally-evil woman, was the daughter of Jezebel & Ahab.

This begs the question, "Who is Baal?" Baal, also called "Bel, Bal, & Phoenician B'l, was any one of several gods worshipped by the Sumerians, Phoenicians, Akkadians, ("Sidonian" in Scripture was a term for Phoenicians in general.) Later, some Assyrians, Chaldeans, & Egyptians called one of their gods "Bel". Baal is generally considered to be a chief god in that old pantheon worshipped by those people. So Baal is not the name of any one specific false god.

"Baal" also meant "owner, boss, or lord" in general when applied to people. And Baal & Ba'l mean "husband" in modern Hebrew & modern Arabic respectively.

Evil was introduced when Ahab and Jezebel brought in the Sidonian Baal, and attempted to make him the God of Israel, even instituting to that end the first religious persecution of which we read in history. The tremendous struggle that ensued, under Elijah and Elisha, ended in complete victory for the Jehovah party when Jehu the son of Nimshi overthrew and annihilated the family of Ahab. but the old sin of calf worship continued. (II Kings 10:39) Nevertheless, the tendency to worship other gods, having been once introduced, remained, and from that time on the sacred records contain frequent references to it. Both religiously and politically the Ten Tribes continued to deteriorate, until the exile.

Albertus Pieters. (n.d.). The Seed of Abraham.

 

[church mouse guy]

About 30 years ago, I was working for state government and came across an official document showing that a lady had a legal first name of Jezebel. I was astonished.

 

[robycop3]

This may be hard for you to believe, and I am sorry, but the church did not come off of Noah's Ark Baptist!

"Baptist" has nothing to do with it. There are a few Baptists who believe that "church age" jive as well, & they're as wrong about it as you are.

 

[robycop3]

About 30 years ago, I was working for state government and came across an official document showing that a lady had a legal first name of Jezebel. I was astonished.

Quite a few men have been named "Ahab". "Saul' is a common name. I live about 10 miles from a town on Rte 7 in Ohio named "Athalia", once known as a speed trap. And, of course, there are many "Judas's". ("Iscariot" means "man from Kerioth", a Judean town.)

There weren't that many bad women in Scripture . There are many women named "Sapphira" & a few named "Michal".

But in,too, am amazed anyone would name a daughter "Jezebel:, who, in my book, was the most-evil woman in Scripture, followed closely by her daughter Athaliah. The town in Ohio is pronounced "uh-THAIL-yah"

 

[rockytopva]

"Baptist" has nothing to do with it. There are a few Baptists who believe that "church age" jive as well, & they're as wrong about it as you are.

“Baptist" Occurred and flourished in Sardisean and Philadelphian times. "Baptist" may have begun and was persecuted in Thyaterian times, having men like John Wycliffe martyred and persecuted by that woman Jezebel, but “Baptist" was nowhere to be found in the first three ages.

 

[robycop3]

“Baptist" Occurred and flourished in Sardisean and Philadelphian times. "Baptist" may have begun and was persecuted in Thyaterian times, having men like John Wycliffe martyred and persecuted by that woman Jezebel, but “Baptist" was nowhere to be found in the first three ages.

I told you there's no such thing as "church ages".

 

[rockytopva]

I told you there's no such thing as "church ages".

You are in the midst of the Laodicean age. Where the generations are in need of eyesalve to cleanse them of their worldly ways!

 

[rockytopva]

The blues had many babies and one of them was rock and roll. And genres such as funk were also children. All of these came out of the Laodicean age. If the eye salve were applied one would have the sense to stay clear of these kind of things!

 

[rockytopva]

I had a second grade teacher by the name of Miss Chickadance. I have often thought that if I could go back to those times, with the eyesalve applied to this Laodiceans eyes I would....

1. Avoid the evils of the generations
2. Avoid the music of the day
3. Study and do well in school
4. Sit with my Pentecostal grandfather
5. Enjoy the Baptist conferences
6. Do well in continued education
7. Find a good company to work

 

[John of Japan]

Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry

Are you kidding me? Can you prove this charge? Have you ever read a biography of Moody? I've read several, and no one ever accused Moody of being an evangelist to get the money. Billy Sunday was accused that way (maybe truly), and Billy Graham outlived some of these charges from early in his ministry (the Atlanta campaign), but never D. L. Moody.