Who would you vote for?

[BobRyan]

Huckabee stood up as one of only 3 who would admit to disbelieving atheist darwinism and choosing instead to believe the Word of God. The media pressed all Republican candidates to answer that question "as if" there is a "religious test" for being president!

Huckabee also has rock solid positions on abortion and gay rights.

In my book you have to rise to Huckabee's level "just to play" -- to get my vote. Beyond that I don't like some of his other positions - and wouldn't mind having another Huckabee-like candidate with strong positions on the above - but with a better imigration and foreign policy stance.

My problem is that I would not dare vote someone in who advocates for immoral actions regarding the sanctity of marriage or the right to life. The fact that Huckabee is willing to go even beyond that and stand up for the Word of God -- raises the bar pretty high.

So for now - that leaves only one candidate.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[grace56]

I vote on the life issues first and formost.

 

[BobRyan]

Not sure if this part of the Bible is allowed on this section of the board -- but here goes --

Lev 18

22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
23 (edited to "nor") with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.


24 'Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.
25 'For the land has become defiled, therefore I have brought its punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants.
26 'But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments and shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you
27 (for the men of the land who have been before you have done all these abominations, and the land has become defiled);
28 so that the land will not spew you out, should you defile it, as it has spewed out the nation which has been before you.

This is significant because God says that these are sins for which - non-bible reading nations are condemned "in this life" and cast out "in this life".

In other words - Americans can not vote in favor of some of these sins and expect America to prosper under such a path.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[StefanM]

Not sure if this part of the Bible is allowed on this section of the board -- but here goes --

Lev 18



This is significant because God says that these are sins for which - non-bible reading nations are condemned "in this life" and cast out "in this life".

In other words - Americans can not vote in favor of some of these sins and expect America to prosper under such a path.

in Christ,

Bob

Then the Republicans are just as bad. Legalizing gay marriage does not increase homosexuality at all. I've not seen any Republicans calling for a constitutional amendment banning homosexuality (that's what it would require). I also don't see any calling for an amendment banning fornication either. I also don't see them calling for an end to no-fault divorce either.

We are not voting for a theocracy. If King Jesus were ruling America, I'd be in favor of a theocratic government. If it's President Somebody, I wouldn't be.

Both parties have major flaws. If you require a candidate to be 100% right on all the major issues, no candidate is acceptable in EITHER party.

IMO, the GOP has major issues on poverty, war, and abortion (they've not done anything substantive to justify their continual pro-life flag waving).

The Democratic party has major issues on abortion (more than the GOP) and some would say gay rights. I'm not as opposed to legal gay rights as some here would be. I think that gay marriage is sinful, but I think that a large percentage of straight marriages are sinful as well.

If one requires a perfect party, the solution is either to find an acceptable 3rd party or not to vote. I'm not in favor of the pro-choice agenda, but I find it ethically and intellectual unacceptable to pretend that the GOP is the party of God or at least close to it.

As a side note, you can tell who is firmer in their stance...

The Democrats enforce their pro-choice orthodoxy. To be sure, you will occasionally find an elected pro-life Democrat, but they will be denied the major mouthpieces of the party. They certainly won't be on the judiciary committee.

The GOP though? They welcome pro-choice Republicans with open arms because they know they won't be able to win elections in some states without running a pro-choice candidate (e.g. Mitt Romney, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudy Giuliani, etc.). Arlen Specter is on the Senate Judiciary committee. That doesn't sound like a smart move for a party that supposedly wants to overturn Roe v. Wade. That shows me one thing--the GOP establishment cares about power, not abortion.

 

[Danny Hurley]

If Huckabee was a democrat with the the same views as Obama and Hillory, I would not vote for him, if Obama was a republican with the same views as Huckabee I would vote for him, ones color has nothing to do with anything. IMO If hillory wins she may paint the white house pink.

 

[StefanM]

IMO If hillory wins she may paint the white house pink.

 

[rbell]

I believe that this is still a racist and a sexest nation....

....If a democrat wins we will have a real "CHANGE" in the whitehouse, Someone other then a white man would be President.

Does anyone besides me see a conflict in the two statements above? One decries racism...then the other elavates someone based on race.

Hmmm......

 

[trustitl]

Does anyone besides me see a conflict in the two statements above? One decries racism...then the other elavates someone based on race.

Hmmm......

Yup.:thumbs:

 

[trustitl]

I also don't see any calling for an amendment banning fornication either. I also don't see them calling for an end to no-fault divorce either..

Perhaps it is because there is so much of this in baptist and other churches.

I think that gay marriage is sinful, but I think that a large percentage of straight marriages are sinful as well..

Short people always like to find shorter people to stand next to.

... I find it ethically and intellectual unacceptable to pretend that the GOP is the party of God or at least close to it..

Perhaps the "christian right" is like the Jews who wanted a king.

The GOP though? They welcome pro-choice Republicans with open arms because they know they won't be able to win elections in some states without running a pro-choice candidate (e.g. Mitt Romney, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudy Giuliani, etc.). Arlen Specter is on the Senate Judiciary committee. That doesn't sound like a smart move for a party that supposedly wants to overturn Roe v. Wade. That shows me one thing--the GOP establishment cares about power, not abortion.

Ouch. The truth hurts.
Now before you go off the handle, notice he said "the GOP establishment".

With that said, I will once again vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Been doing it since 1980.

Ever heard of the book Blinded by Might by Cal Thomas and Ed Dobson? you might find it interesting. Here are links to a couple of previews:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_16_116/ai_54898666

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/102/story_10216_1.html

 

[BobRyan]

Does anyone besides me see a conflict in the two statements above? One decries racism...then the other elavates someone based on race.

Hmmm......

Pretty funny actually --

It is like saying "the nation would be just fine if we could just get one more white man in the office of president".

What kind of thinking is that???

 

[BobRyan]

If Huckabee was a democrat with the the same views as Obama and Hillory, I would not vote for him, if Obama was a republican with the same views as Huckabee I would vote for him, ones color has nothing to do with anything. IMO If hillory wins she may paint the white house pink.

Danny Hurley for king!

Well said Danny -

 

[targus]

I see no moral justification for voting for those who will promote, applaud and flaunt for political gain... abortion on demand.

I see by your profile that you are SDA.

I am wondering what then is your justification for belonging to a denomination that allows for abortion under selected circumstances?

 

[BobRyan]

Abortion in the case of life risk to the mother? If you have to choose between two lives - it is the life of the mother that is selected.

While this is not a "doctrine" in the Adventist church - we do teach that murder is wrong.

The following "guideline" is published by some leaders in the church -

The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church.

Having said that - I do not believe the church takes a strong enough stand against it.

However this is not a "doctrinal position" but rather an organizational administrative issue within the church. Doctrinally the stand is that murder is wrong.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[targus]

Abortion in the case of life risk to the mother? If you have to choose between two lives - it is the life of the mother that is selected.

While this is not a "doctrine" in the Adventist church - we do teach that murder is wrong.

The following "guideline" is published by some leaders in the church -



Having said that - I do not believe the church takes a strong enough stand against it.

However this is not a "doctrinal position" but rather an organizational administrative issue within the church. Doctrinally the stand is that murder is wrong.

in Christ,

Bob

So the doctrine is that murder, in this case abortion, is wrong...

But the "guidance" provided by your church is that sometimes it's o.k. anyway?

 

[targus]

Another question...

Abortion in the case of life risk to the mother? If you have to choose between two lives - it is the life of the mother that is selected.

Why is the life of the mother selected?

What scriptural support do you have for this?

 

[targus]

Another question...



Why is the life of the mother selected?

What scriptural support do you have for this?

Bumped for BobRyan's response.

 

[BobRyan]

Another question...



Why is the life of the mother selected?

What scriptural support do you have for this?

"If you can save a life do it" --