"Why All Good Christians Should Celebrate Halloween"

[Darrell C]

I realize I'm jumping in here kind of late, but here's another perspective, too. Some churches in my area are doing a "reverse trick or treat." They are going door to door handing out candy and tracts and witnessing. I thought that was a great idea. Halloween is the one night a year they won't refuse to answer the door or pretend they aren't home when you come over.

Have to admit, first time I heard of this.

Brilliant.

God bless.

 

[Max Kennedy]

Not only do we have a Pagan Calendar but all the days of the week are named after false gods.

Sunday - Day of the sun
Monday - Day of the moon
Tuesday - Zeus Day.
Wednesay - Woden's Day.
Thursday - Thor's Day.
Friday - Frida's Day.
Saturday - Saturn's Day.

Exodus 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.

So technically speaking if you use these names then you are honoring a false god.

The Bible way is to number the days of the week i.e. first day, second day, last day, etc...

HankD

I tried to see if the names could be reverted back to numbering by the sound of the word for a rational weekday system. What I got was:

Monday = Monosday
Tuesday = Twosday
Wednsday = Threesday
Thursday = Foursday
Friday = Fivesday
Saturday = Sixesday
Sunday = Seventhday

This is not based on looking at the days of the week to see what they were named before the were paganized, but this does make sense, because the names of our months were paganized from a rational calendar system. IE September = 7 month, october = 8th month, november = 9th month, december = 10th month (same word dec used in decimal etc).

I came up with the above idea to encourage it back to a rationally worded week system a long time ago. I know compared to many problems facing us, it may never be implemented, but I was encouraged recently about one thing. All those false gods were the stars and planets in heavens and emperors exalting themselves as gods; and they were cast down from heaven a long time ago by Jesus Christ. When I looked at our calendar system, 2/3rds the names on it were names cast down by Jesus Christ and his angeles, and that is an encouraging thought.

(c) Max Kennedy, written this day October 11th, 2010 in the year of our Lord, (Anno Domini, AD).

 

[HankD]

I tried to see if the names could be reverted back to numbering by the sound of the word for a rational weekday system. What I got was:

Monday = Monosday
Tuesday = Twosday
Wednsday = Threesday
Thursday = Foursday
Friday = Fivesday
Saturday = Sixesday
Sunday = Seventhday

This is not based on looking at the days of the week to see what they were named before the were paganized, but this does make sense, because the names of our months were paganized from a rational calendar system. IE September = 7 month, october = 8th month, november = 9th month, december = 10th month (same word dec used in decimal etc).

I came up with the above idea to encourage it back to a rationally worded week system a long time ago. I know compared to many problems facing us, it may never be implemented, but I was encouraged recently about one thing. All those false gods were the stars and planets in heavens and emperors exalting themselves as gods; and they were cast down from heaven a long time ago by Jesus Christ. When I looked at our calendar system, 2/3rds the names on it were names cast down by Jesus Christ and his angeles, and that is an encouraging thought.

(c) Max Kennedy, written this day October 11th, 2010 in the year of our Lord, (Anno Domini, AD).

Fantastic Max! Send this right off to the President for his approval.

BTW Max, Sunday should be Monosday unless of course your new system has changed the first day of the week to Monday (Oldspeak), which is probably in keeping with contemporary thought since Sunday (Oldspeak) is considered part of the "weekend".

Hmm you may need to work on the names of the months as well, June, July and August being names of Roman emporers who claimed to be divine.

Not sure about the other months apart from the numbered ones you mentioned e.g. March, April...


HankD

 

[Max Kennedy]

Fantastic Max! Send this right off to the President for his approval.

BTW Max, Sunday should be Monosday unless of course your new system has changed the first day of the week to Monday (Oldspeak), which is probably in keeping with contemporary thought since Sunday (Oldspeak) is considered part of the "weekend".

Hmm you may need to work on the names of the months as well, June, July and August being names of Roman emporers who claimed to be divine.

Not sure about the other months apart from the numbered ones you mentioned e.g. March, April...


HankD

Its just a way to wean people off the older system onto a new one, probably not the final step. You would just have to miss one day to get the week lined up right. Eventually, people would say first day, second day etc.

I didn't miss the emperors, I mentioned them, and all that worship ended as well when Christ knocked them down. June is Juno a goddess fyi. The other two August July linked themselves to the gods of the heavens - same difference, divinity.

The point being, although how the names for the week originated is lost; for the months, they are not. It is awfully coincidently that many of the words for the week sound like our numbers, and five of seven of the days start out with the same letter as the corresponding name for the number. But even if that is coincidence, it can be still used to get people used to the idea of going back to a numbered weekday.

 

[Eric B]

I tried to see if the names could be reverted back to numbering by the sound of the word for a rational weekday system. What I got was:

Monday = Monosday
Tuesday = Twosday
Wednsday = Threesday
Thursday = Foursday
Friday = Fivesday
Saturday = Sixesday
Sunday = Seventhday

This is not based on looking at the days of the week to see what they were named before the were paganized, but this does make sense, because the names of our months were paganized from a rational calendar system. IE September = 7 month, october = 8th month, november = 9th month, december = 10th month (same word dec used in decimal etc).

I came up with the above idea to encourage it back to a rationally worded week system a long time ago. I know compared to many problems facing us, it may never be implemented, but I was encouraged recently about one thing. All those false gods were the stars and planets in heavens and emperors exalting themselves as gods; and they were cast down from heaven a long time ago by Jesus Christ. When I looked at our calendar system, 2/3rds the names on it were names cast down by Jesus Christ and his angeles, and that is an encouraging thought.

(c) Max Kennedy, written this day October 11th, 2010 in the year of our Lord, (Anno Domini, AD).

This is basically what Portuguese does:

Domingo – Sunday
Segunda-feira – Monday
Terça-feira – Tuesday
Quarta-feira – Wednesday
Quinta-feira – Thursday
Sexta-feira – Friday
Sábado – Saturday

Of course, instead of "first day", they use "Lord's Day, basically, and "seventh day" is "sabbath".

I wondered what made the Portuguese decide to do away with the pagan terms? They were just another Catholic culture, and the rest of those languages kept the pagan terms (Tuesday = basically "Mars day", and three of the other ones are different as well).

Funny that some of the Hebrew months, like Tammuz, were Babylonian gods. Always wondered why God allowed those.

 

[HankD]

I hope everyone realizes that my posts were the proverbial "tongue-in-cheek".


HankD

 

[Steadfast Fred]

For the last 5 years, we have not had one person knock on our door. And Boyle is a small town where everybody knows everybody.

The Word of God tells us we are not to partake of the world's unfruitful works of darkness. When you pass out candy to trick-or-treater's, you are participating in a pagan, worldly ritual.

 

[Max Kennedy]

This is basically what Portuguese does:

Domingo – Sunday
Segunda-feira – Monday
Terça-feira – Tuesday
Quarta-feira – Wednesday
Quinta-feira – Thursday
Sexta-feira – Friday
Sábado – Saturday

Of course, instead of "first day", they use "Lord's Day, basically, and "seventh day" is "sabbath".

I wondered what made the Portuguese decide to do away with the pagan terms? They were just another Catholic culture, and the rest of those languages kept the pagan terms (Tuesday = basically "Mars day", and three of the other ones are different as well).

Funny that some of the Hebrew months, like Tammuz, were Babylonian gods. Always wondered why God allowed those.

I noticed those look like latin names and not portuguese, so I looked it up at wikipedia, which had:

"An exception is Portuguese, also a Romance language, which uses the word sexta-feira, meaning "sixth day of liturgical celebration", derived from the Latin "feria sexta" used in religious texts where it was not allowed to consecrate days to pagan gods."

Unsourced though.

So the idea of a rational older number system remains. I would suggest that all the names of the week were originally numbers like the months, and they were "consecrated" to the gods, and eventually lost their original names, except as perserved in some religious texts as above.

Looking up cognates in other european languages online, fyi, is a great way to solve problems like this, and didn't use to be easily available.

 

[Max Kennedy]

I hope everyone realizes that my posts were the proverbial "tongue-in-cheek".


HankD

No problems here. Your original post I responded to gave me another idea from the scripture it quoted to write something else, which I'll upload later.

 

[Eric B]

I noticed those look like latin names and not portuguese, so I looked it up at wikipedia, which had:

"An exception is Portuguese, also a Romance language, which uses the word sexta-feira, meaning "sixth day of liturgical celebration", derived from the Latin "feria sexta" used in religious texts where it was not allowed to consecrate days to pagan gods."

Unsourced though.

So the idea of a rational older number system remains. I would suggest that all the names of the week were originally numbers like the months, and they were "consecrated" to the gods, and eventually lost their original names, except as perserved in some religious texts as above.

Looking up cognates in other european languages online, fyi, is a great way to solve problems like this, and didn't use to be easily available.

Portuguese is derived from Latin, but the distinctive Portuguese features are the ç ("soft" c before a o or u) and ei (for "long" e sound represented by é in the other romance languages). There's also the "aõ" that replaces "an" in the male "Saint" title.

I wonder which religious texts those were. Catholic ones?

 

[tinytim]

I think its wrong to celebrate Samhain. I don't care how you dress it up! Just like I think its wrong to celebrate Sol Invictus. So out goes October 31st and December 25th. October 31 was orignially celebrated over a period of several days marking the end of the lighter half of the year and the begining of the darker half of the year. Some scholars believe this was the begining of the next year in gaelic circles. The holiday is devoted to harvest festival and the festival of the dead. Bon fires were an essential part of the holiday and slaughtered cattle would often be thrown on these fires.

WOW.. Big ol community BBQ!!!! Ribeyes, T-Bones!.... Filet Mignon!!!! Wow!... That sure beats candy!

 

[Max Kennedy]

Portuguese is derived from Latin, but the distinctive Portuguese features are the ç ("soft" c before a o or u) and ei (for "long" e sound represented by é in the other romance languages). There's also the "aõ" that replaces "an" in the male "Saint" title.

I wonder which religious texts those were. Catholic ones?

Most likely. I looked it up, and it seems to have occured early - like 500-600ad. That was before the catholic split. It looks like a good attempt to remove paganism from the calendar.

Hundreds of years before that, the Roman calendar also appears to have used both names and numbered days for their calendar - but the information is murky without detail - I guess because few people are interested in the question from this viewpoint.

There was one source that claimed that Constantine officially instituted the weekly calendar with a decree - although the 7 day week was already in use, but I haven't found the decree yet. Its possible that might show where the pagan names came in, because I don't believe they existed in an earlier Roman era. At one time, they numbered dates to the next business cycle - ie calendar day (new moon).