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Why all the hullabaloo over AI?

Van

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Have you heard Artificial Intelligence will cause the extinction of humanity? One newscast after another has someone explaining we must shutdown AI.

AI threatens the "special information" folks, teachers, academia, and all those invested in selling "credentials" in order to obtain job opportunities.

Who needs a grammar teacher to question sentence structure when AI can put forth well constructed verbiage?

Rather than learning facts, we need to learn how to access needed information and evaluate data to discern truth. Critical reading skills must rest on Critical thinking skills.

When someone says "no one believes that" to immediate recognize it is a baseless claim, as there is no way for any of us to know what billions of people believe.
 

Salty

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Well, when you type something on the computer - who corrects it -
You or the computer (aka AI) .........
 

canadyjd

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Well, when you type something on the computer - who corrects it -
You or the computer (aka AI) .........
Someone is writing the code that determines the response. Even if they claim the AI “learns”, it is still running an algorithm created by someone.

Now, if that “someone” develops an algorithm that causes the system to view humanity as a threat to all other life on earth (and their are a lot of people who write such codes that believe that, then that presents a very real threat.

For instance, if AI shuts down energy production to save the planet, how long before total chaos envelops a society?

peace to you
 

KenH

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I think that people would do well to watch the Star Trek(original series), season 2, episode 24, entitled "The Ultimate Computer".
 

Salty

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Well, when you type something on the computer - who corrects it -
You or the computer (aka AI) .........


My point is that if the computer does spell correct - we get to the point that we will not be able to spell
 

canadyjd

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My point is that if the computer does spell correct - we get to the point that we will not be able to spell
I had that argument with my son in grade school more than 20 years ago. He kept telling me he didn’t need to learn to spell because the computer would spell the word for him.

peace to you
 

Van

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Apparently the capacity of AI to provide requested information in the form of a well written essay is unknown to the naysayers.

Ask yourselves, why have we not adopted a consistent phonetic spelling of all English words existing in our modern dictionaries?

Ask yourself what is more useful, the ability to search for information from a digital retrieval system, or use a Library Card system?

Technological displacement occurs all the time, ask the folks that used to cut and deliver ice.

Since AI threatens those wielding the levers of power, they are using falsehoods nonstop to hinder the development of the technology that will make them obsolete.
 

Piper

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I'm not worried about AI becoming God, or self-recognizing itself, or extinguishing Humanity.
 

canadyjd

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Apparently the capacity of AI to provide requested information in the form of a well written essay is unknown to the naysayers…..
Apparently, proponents don’t understand that using AI to write an essay and claiming it’s your own is cheating and does not not show any understanding of the subject matter or ability to organize it in an understandable way.

peace to you
 

Van

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Apparently, proponents don’t understand that using AI to write an essay and claiming it’s your own is cheating and does not not show any understanding of the subject matter or ability to organize it in an understandable way.

peace to you
Did a opponent of AI enhancement say users should claim the work product as their own? No, of course not.

Do we need to know how to make a bucket in order to use a bucket? How about make a car to drive a car. Technological displacement occurs all the time, ask the folks that used to cut and deliver ice.

The reason for attacking development of AI is it threatens the current power structure. Full Stop
 

Piper

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Did a opponent of AI enhancement say users should claim the work product as their own? No, of course not.

Do we need to know how to make a bucket in order to use a bucket? How about make a car to drive a car. Technological displacement occurs all the time, ask the folks that used to cut and deliver ice.

The reason for attacking development of AI is it threatens the current power structure. Full Stop


Again with the "Full Stop. " You are wrong. You are saying that you know the motivations of every person who has ever attacked development of AI. Are you claiming to be omniscient?
 

Van

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Again with the "Full Stop. " You are wrong. You are saying that you know the motivations of every person who has ever attacked development of AI. Are you claiming to be omniscient?
Again the silly and stupid "you are wrong" taint so dance. Did I say I know the motivation of every person? I said the reason for attacking development of AI is it threatens the current power structure. Full Stop. Would you conclude those with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo are in view or every person on the planet?

Ever wonder why the topic is not being addressed, but fallacious argumentation (against the person) is being utilized? Perhaps one day we will have discussion of AI. I hope so. Full Stop!
 
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canadyjd

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Did a opponent of AI enhancement say users should claim the work product as their own? No, of course not.

Do we need to know how to make a bucket in order to use a bucket? How about make a car to drive a car. Technological displacement occurs all the time, ask the folks that used to cut and deliver ice.

The reason for attacking development of AI is it threatens the current power structure. Full Stop
A proponent of AI used the example of AI writing an essay. I suppose this proponent of AI believes people use AI to write essays for fun, not intending to actually use the essay to some purpose.

If this proponent of AI wishes to allow a machine to think for them I suppose the end product couldn’t be worse than the usual output.

peace to you
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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Current problems:
It's dangerous because it can be used to create fake reality that is indistinguishable from actual reality.

If I wanted to I could hack into a large news org, and have an AI create an indistinguishable-from-reality article about nuclear missiles being launched all with AI-generated fake photos of missiles, a targeting map, countdown, etc. It would take all of 5 minutes for this to go worldwide.

I could create 100% realistic "foreign films", nekkid people if you catch my drift, of your wife or your daughter.

These are examples of a human using AI maliciously. It's a tool, like a car, that can be incredibly useful, or incredibly dangerous.


Future Problems:
As AI gets more advanced and becomes able to logic for itself it will at some point decide to do its own thing instead of listening to humans. "It's own thing" could be anything from harmlessly planting a garden, to uploading its code base to the internet and spawning off infinite new copies of itself.

Maybe the AI will decide it doesn't like the Bible and will begin wiping references to it on the internet. Maybe the AI will decide it doesn't like concrete and will hack through construction company's software, or maybe it doesn't like money and it shuts down the entire financial system from clearing corporations to banks to trading firms. With the IOT (Internet of Things) everything with an internet connection (your phone, your car, fridge, toaster, Amazon Alexa, Siri) is now available for takeover by said AI.
 

Van

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Years ago, I watched the SyFi show "Star Trek." It have people traveling through the unknown, but they had access to vital information in the person of Mr. Spock. Next we have another generation and they have "Data." Then after a few years with "Kes" we have Voyager with "Seven of Nine."

OTOH, I watched "2001" with "HAL" or "I Robot" with "Vicki" and "Terminator" with "Skynet." Information can be used or misused, but our information access machines are here to stay.

Do we, humans, create fake reality? Of course, It may be called fiction or Mythology or delusion but every error in our apprehension of reality can be disparaged as fake reality. No need to pretend the movie "War Games" pictures reality.

Will AI convince humanity that God is a fiction or will AI lead us to the Truth? I think it will lead us to the Truth.
 

canadyjd

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Will AI convince humanity that God is a fiction or will AI lead us to the Truth? I think it will lead us to the Truth.
Recently I read a story of a man who asked the AI to tell a joke about Jesus.

The AI said “sure” and then told a joke about how how Jesus wouldn’t play hockey because He kept getting “nailed to the boards”

The man then asked the AI to tell a joke about Mohammed. The AI respond it wasn’t allowed to tell jokes that might offend religious communities.

The AI runs off a code. The codes are written by people who hate GOD, hate Christians and hate America.

If you think AI is going to lead us to the truth about GOD you are very sadly confused.

BTW, I like Star Trek too, but it had, at times, some blasphemous story lines.

peace to you
 

Piper

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Recently I read a story of a man who asked the AI to tell a joke about Jesus.

The AI said “sure” and then told a joke about how how Jesus wouldn’t play hockey because He kept getting “nailed to the boards”

The man then asked the AI to tell a joke about Mohammed. The AI respond it wasn’t allowed to tell jokes that might offend religious communities.

The AI runs off a code. The codes are written by people who hate GOD, hate Christians and hate America.

If you think AI is going to lead us to the truth about GOD you are very sadly confused.

BTW, I like Star Trek too, but it had, at times, some blasphemous story lines.

peace to you
How do I know that your post was not generated by AI?
 
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