Originally posted by 3AngelsMom:
You are a legalist. You keep rules made by man, and impose rules on people that are not in the Laws of God. Would you like me to name a few, and keep in mind I used to BE IFB?
If you know me and my church so well, yes I will call you bluff. Go ahead. Name a few. What do you think it is that makes me a "so-called legalist"? This ought to be interesting since I consider myself to be under grace, and you place yourself under the law.
Do you also refrain from pork like the Old Testament Jews. Even Peter learned not to be that
legalistic
Peter didn't eat pork. I am vegan, I think I may have already told you that. I have been vegetarian most of my life, and about a year ago went completely vegan, for the sake of my children who are lactose intolerant. But YES I do abstain from the eating of unclean meat because God told me to. AND not just in the Levitical Laws. God speaks of a people, that kind of reminds me of you and your clan of Pharisees.
Isaiah 65:1. I Am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2. I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
3. A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
4. Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
5. Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
6. Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,
7. Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the Lord, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
Nothing like taking the Old Testament Scripture out of its context, is there? But that is precisely why you keep the Sabbath, when we know from Exodus 31, that it was a covenantal sign given to the Jewish nation and their generations forever. (And which tribe are you from??) So it comes as no surprise to me when you deliberately yank Scripture out of its context, making it mean something other than what it was intended to mean--"wresting the Scriptures to your own damnation."
Prove that Peter did not eat pork. Consider the evidence:
1. He was commanded three times by the Lord to rise, kill, and eat. The meat in the sheet was "unclean", probably pork. So if it wasn't pork, it was at least unclean.
2. Peter would not go against the Word, once received.
1Timothy 4:1-5
4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Notice first of all that any religion, teacher, or false teacher, per se, that teaches or commands one to abstain from meats (i.e., a certain kind of food such as pork) is teaching a
doctrine of demons. SDA's fit right in here.
Secondly, notice that God has ordained that
every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused, and that includes the swine--pork products. So eat up! Or, at least do not refrain for religious purposes. And if you say that God told you to refrain, it wasn't God, it was a demon, and a doctrine of a demon. God has ordained that foods are clean, and nothing to be refused. God never told you to refuse or abstain from any kind of food, unless you are allergic to it (eg., lactose intolerant).
So go ahead. Keep the law. Be a hypocrite.
In order for you to call me a hypocrite and it be valid, you must show that I am telling someone to do something that I myself do not do, or telling someone NOT to do some thing that I myself DO. I am not asking anyone to do anything that I MYSELF have not commited myself to God to do.
You are a hypocrite, in that you say that you keep the law, but you do not. In fact you cannot. No man can keep the law. You only say you do. That is hypocrisy.
For if you are going to keep one law you must keep them law. Tell me if you can. I know that you can't. The Bible tells me so.
You are misusing that text. If any man breaks one law, he is guilty of them all, saying that all sin is the same. (exept one) The passage you are referencing is regarding those who seek to gain SALVATION by the keeping of the Law. I do nothing of the sort. I keep the Laws that I do, out of Love for God, and respect and Holy Fear. He tells me in His Word that IF I love Him, I will keep His Commandments. So I do, as a demonstration of my love for Him.
The Sabbath is an Old Testament law, that you say you keep. It was actually given to Israel, not anyone else (Ex.31). The law referred to in James 2:10 is no doubt referring to the Ten Commandments. I don't even believe you can keep those. In a sense you are like the rich young ruler in Mark 10, who came to Jesus saying, "Good Master, What must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus asked him, "Why do you call me good; there is none good but one; and that is God." He then pointed him to the Law. He listed a few of the Ten Commandments as examples and said do this and thou shalt live. But the young man was a liar and a hypocrite. He said, "
All these things have I kept from my youth up. What a lie that was!! Jesus proceeded to show him how he would break "Thou shalt not covet, for he coveted his own riches rather than desire Christ, and thus went away sorrowful.
You have committed idolatry, stolen, borne false witness, committed adultery, murder, coveted, etc. You have broken all ten commandments at one time or another, and more likely quite often. Perhaps you need to do a study on the Ten Commandments sometime.
Gal.3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
There it is! We are cursed if we cannot keep every law, and THAT is why we need a SAVIOR.
You are the one that keeps the law (Sabbath-keeping). Now, what do you do with the teaching of this verse?
I keep the Sabbath. I do not work. That is what the commandment states. I also do not kill. I also honor my parents. etc. etc. Does it make me a legalist because I do not murder? Does it make me a legalist because I do not covet?
Why does obeying the FOURTH Commandment suddenly make me a legalist, when keeping the other 9 didn't?
You keep the Sabbath Law, meant for the nation of Israel, and their generations (Ex.31). You keep dietary laws (some of them) of the Jews. You keep the law. You have put yourself under the law, under the works of the law. In doing that you have made yourself cursed. I am not under the law, I am under grace, and therefore not under that curse.
"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse:"
I don't do the works of the law; you do. You are the legalist. You are under the curse.
Christ has redeemed us
from the curse of the law. But that doesn't apply to you, because you are still trusting in the Law, keeping the Sabbath, etc. You refuse to trust in Christ and accept His redemption from the law. You just keep on doing the works of the law anyway. That is why you are under the curse of the law.
DHK
