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Why are Republicans their devotees using cheap shots?

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NaasPreacher (C4K)

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Could it be because there really is not that much difference in action in the parties?

Could it be that the differences only extend to pronouncements, policies, and platforms and don't extend to performance?

Could the GOP be saying the 'right' thing to insure that they don't lose the massive Evangelical vote?

Could it all just be politics?
 

Rippon

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C4K said:
One more.

Could it be time for believers to take a stand and stop being used as pawns of the GOP?

You are a believer.Are you a Republican?If so,do you consider yourself a pawn?

In my American Heritage Dictionary it gives the following definitions for the word :"1.A chess piece of lowest value.2. One used to further the purposes of another."

I do not think those meanings apply to a thinking Christian who is a Republican.
 

LeBuick

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C4K said:
One more.

Could it be time for believers to take a stand and stop being used as pawns of the GOP?

I say you hit the nail on the head here, it is time for us to tell the hill what we want and won't let them back in office if they don't deliver. I think it's time to stop electing politicians and vote in a citizen who genuinely care about this nation and it's people. It's time to stop chasing after empty promises and start rewarding results. The hill needs to change it's face and we have the power via the vote to make that happen...
 

Petra-O IX

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LeBuick said:
I say you hit the nail on the head here, it is time for us to tell the hill what we want and won't let them back in office if they don't deliver. I think it's time to stop electing politicians and vote in a citizen who genuinely care about this nation and it's people. It's time to stop chasing after empty promises and start rewarding results. The hill needs to change it's face and we have the power via the vote to make that happen...
Well said LeBuick, there is too much blind loyalty going on in both parties and both are lacking any real substance to offer to the voters.
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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Rippon said:
You are a believer.Are you a Republican?If so,do you consider yourself a pawn?

In my American Heritage Dictionary it gives the following definitions for the word :"1.A chess piece of lowest value.2. One used to further the purposes of another."

I do not think those meanings apply to a thinking Christian who is a Republican.
l do think that the GOP see the 'religious right' as pawns. They sound good, make promises, but still do things like allow infanticide and the expansion of g@y rights. I for one am tired of being played.
 

Crabtownboy

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C4K said:
Could it be because there really is not that much difference in action in the parties?

Could it be that the differences only extend to pronouncements, policies, and platforms and don't extend to performance?

Could the GOP be saying the 'right' thing to insure that they don't lose the massive Evangelical vote?

Could it all just be politics?

Yes, of course you are right. What is a politicians primary objective? To be elected. How are you elected ... by saying what the majority of the people want to hear. Truth has little to do in a campaign.
 

Andy T.

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Roger, you may be right in your assessment of the GOP. But the answer is not with the Democratic Party, which is generally a pro-abortion, anti-God, secular humanist party. Anyone who thinks the answer is with the Democrats is misplacing their hope in evil.
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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Andy T. said:
Roger, you may be right in your assessment of the GOP. But the answer is not with the Democratic Party, which is generally a pro-abortion, anti-God, secular humanist party. Anyone who thinks the answer is with the Democrats is misplacing their hope in evil.

Exactly, but the Republicans are the ones who think they have a right to the 'religious right' vote.
 

KenH

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Yes, Christian conservatives are being used as pawns by the Republicans and have been since 1988 with the campaign of George H.W. Bush.

Senator McCain will mouth a few words that will please social conservatives on the abortion issue and the homosexual marriage issue. But, if he becomes president, they will be very, very disappointed at the lack of follow-through by him.
 

Andy T.

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Consider this, however: Bush was successful in titling the Supreme Court in favor of the Constitution and thus, for the life of the unborn. If Obama gets elected, that work will be stalled or erased. If McCain gets elected, it may even improve. Obama will never appoint a good Supreme Court justice. McCain may or may not, but we know that Obama will not.
 
Rippon said:
You are a believer.Are you a Republican?If so,do you consider yourself a pawn?

In my American Heritage Dictionary it gives the following definitions for the word :"1.A chess piece of lowest value.2. One used to further the purposes of another."

I do not think those meanings apply to a thinking Christian who is a Republican.
I am. I do. Yes that is exactly how I feel, that I have been used to further the purposese of another. Bush told us he was a Christian, he told us he was going to cut spending and shrink government. Yet for 8 years he has given the democrats everything they have asked for. The Republicans think we (Christians) will vote for them just because they are better than the stinking socialist democrats but the truth is both parties are so far left it sickens me.
 
KenH said:
Yes, Christian conservatives are being used as pawns by the Republicans and have been since 1988 with the campaign of George H.W. Bush.

Senator McCain will mouth a few words that will please social conservatives on the abortion issue and the homosexual marriage issue. But, if he becomes president, they will be very, very disappointed at the lack of follow-through by him.
Your dead on here Ken but check out your own tag line. Do you really think Obama will deliver on that?
 

NiteShift

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The Christian left is well represented here, and argue that good and true Christians should vote for Obama and the Democratic ticket. Isn't this an example of Christians being used as pawns? Why is this less troublesome?
 
"But I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less because we cannot meet 21st century challenges with a 20th century bureaucracy." - Senator Barack Obama

I guess it depends on how you define "work." Will he keep programs running that increase poverty and dependence because they "work" in the sense that they result in a larger government with more power and control over our lives? Will he continue with energy policies that result in higher fuel costs because the "work" to decrease our standard of living? Will he continue programs the reduce our quality of health care because they "work" to increase government control over our health care system.
 

Andy T.

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NiteShift said:
The Christian left is well represented here, and argue that good and true Christians should vote for Obama and the Democratic ticket. Isn't this an example of Christians being used as pawns? Why is this less troublesome?
It's not - it is more troublesome. At least the GOP has some vestiges or morality, respect for the Constitution and respect for Biblical values. Yes, they don't always deliver on it, but the base is still there. But to put one's energy in the Democratic Party that promotes outright evil and has a Socialist, secular humanist philosophy in general - and to call yourself a Christian, is very, very troublesome.
 

KenH

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Andy T. said:
It's not - it is more troublesome. At least the GOP has some vestiges or morality, respect for the Constitution and respect for Biblical values.

Will that change if, as is seeming more likely this morning, Senator McCain chooses pro-choice Tom Ridge this morning as his running mate? Will you vote for a pro-choice candidate for vice president?
 

NiteShift

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Andy T. said:
It's not - it is more troublesome. At least the GOP has some vestiges or morality, respect for the Constitution and respect for Biblical values. Yes, they don't always deliver on it, but the base is still there. But to put one's energy in the Democratic Party that promotes outright evil and has a Socialist, secular humanist philosophy in general - and to call yourself a Christian, is very, very troublesome.

The religious left argues that smaller military budgets and more social welfare programs are the mark of true Christian values. Some accuse the Republicans of playing faith-based politics, but the Obama campaign is talking the talk, and asking for the votes of evangelicals. They will get some too.
 

Andy T.

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KenH said:
Will that change if, as is seeming more likely this morning, Senator McCain chooses pro-choice Tom Ridge this morning as his running mate? Will you vote for a pro-choice candidate for vice president?
It would be very difficult for me to do so, even though it is only the VP and would only affect policy in case of the untimely demise of McCain. So voting for a pro-life/pro-abortion ticket is not the same as voting for a pro-abortion/pro-abortion ticket. But yes, it would be difficult for me to do so, and I would have to think about it. In contrast, you have no difficulty in voting for a pro-abortion candidate. In fact, you openly celebrate such a decision as if it provides special meaning in your life, as evidenced by your pervasive posts on this board regarding your love for and hope in the man, Obama.
 
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