Why attack Calvinism? Luther too? :)

[Rippon]

The reason is that there isn't much truth in Calvinism. It's just warmed over Catholicism. Let's face the truth. Calvinism is Catholicism for all intents and purposes. That is what reform means. These men just reformed the same old doctrines of the old Catholic faith. The reformation happened because of changes in the RCC, that Calvin and Luther didn't agree with. The same thing happened with the Mormons. You are all still Catholic and won't admit it. Just like the reorganized Mormons are still Mormons. You are still Catholics
MB

What utter trash. Don't you even hesitate to print such bunk without checking things out the truth? Read some solid Church History. You are so off the beam it is crazy.

Try to compare the Council of Trent documents with the Westminster Confession of Faith for instance, and then attempt to demonstrate that both groups were really saying the same thing. It cannot be done.

 

[Edward63]

Seriously I've not witnessed one viable attack brought upon the DoG/Reformed/Calvinism, in book, debates on radio, video, nor on any forum including the BB. Truth is solid, the polemics others use against Calvinism are generally weak and stem from a faulty theology altogether.

I don't know that we should attack RCC, Arminianism, Pelagianism, Semi-Pelagianism, Anti-Calvinists, and other weak theologies of the same ilk, as I see nothing in Scripture saying to attack these errors. I do however see that we of the other camp are to earnestly contend for the faith, and that faith is the faith we as DoG/Reformed/Calvinists hold to and is why the answers given by this camp are always solid Biblically. These Biblical answers typically and readily dismantle the arguments from the other side.

P4T, I think I may owe you an apology. I could have jumped to judge you earlier without considering the type of nut-cases you are dealing with here. :laugh: If you are willing to accept my apology and forgive me, I'd like to restart with you as a brother in Christ.
Ed

 

[Revmitchell]

Pure arrogance...........

 

[Gorship]

Seriously I've not witnessed one viable attack brought upon the DoG/Reformed/Calvinism, in book, debates on radio, video, nor on any forum including the BB. Truth is solid, the polemics others use against Calvinism are generally weak and stem from a faulty theology altogether.

Except for all the times I have watched Calvinism get brought to its logical conclusion about hell bound little children and the topic changes all of a sudden or the thread closes.

The more I continue on these forums the more the "Beast" of calvinism turns into a cute little puppy dog.

 

[preacher4truth]

P4T, I think I may owe you an apology. I could have jumped to judge you earlier without considering the type of nut-cases you are dealing with here. :laugh: If you are willing to accept my apology and forgive me, I'd like to restart with you as a brother in Christ.
Ed

I forgive you my brother. I love you in Christ and hold no grudge toward you. Forgive me as well. Welcome to BB.

 

[MB]

I'll give you this --you start sinning up a storm from the get-go.

Really! Like I've always said before you always accuse men of what you are most guilty of. This is your judgement but you see I'm not yours to judge. Stop fooling your self. and you never will be.

Arminians wanted to "reform" Reformational theology; otherwise they should not in the least be considered reformers.

That's funny Arminians and Calvinist came from the same Roman Catholic Church. And you judge them because they wouldn't go along with your theology of God forcing men to be saved. Therefore everyone who disagrees with you all, you call them Arminians. Why ? Because you can't believe there was any other church but Catholic in the beginning. Your still Catholic the only difference between you and them the changes they made. You still hold to the fool Augustine.

As a "born-again Christian" you should not want to deny biblical doctrines.

Calvinism has never been Biblical. It is a false interpretation of the Bible which you cannot prove with scripture alone. That means with out your interpretation, and that of other Calvinist.
MB

 

[preacher4truth]

P4T, I think I may owe you an apology. I could have jumped to judge you earlier without considering the type of nut-cases you are dealing with here. :laugh: If you are willing to accept my apology and forgive me, I'd like to restart with you as a brother in Christ.
Ed

double post

 

[preacher4truth]

Except for all the times I have watched Calvinism get brought to its logical conclusion about hell bound little children and the topic changes all of a sudden or the thread closes.

The more I continue on these forums the more the "Beast" of calvinism turns into a cute little puppy dog.

All you say about the true God here is only a reflection of your heart toward Him. In all this I still love you in Him.

 

[MB]

What utter trash. Don't you even hesitate to print such bunk without checking things out the truth? Read some solid Church History. You are so off the beam it is crazy.

I've been checking out Calvinism for a very long time and I know what I'm talking about.
Don't worry I always have refuted Calvinism and I will continue to do so. With or without your approval. What I have said about the reformers is a matter of History. Of course your Calvinist church history isn't going to say any thing negative about them selves

Try to compare the Council of Trent documents with the Westminster Confession of Faith for instance, and then attempt to demonstrate that both groups were really saying the same thing. It cannot be done.

I could not care less what the council of trent had to say. They're just a bunch of Catholics claiming they have biblical truth when they don't and never did.
MB

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

All you say about the true God here is only a reflection of your heart toward Him. In all this I still love you in Him.

What's worse than a Canadian tea totler ...

A Consumer of Molson products...skunky!:laugh:

 

[Benjamin]

Out of one side of your mouth you say, "I don't know that we should attack...." But, out of the other side come words like "weak, faulty logic, errors." You sound like Benjamin.

I hope wasn't a personal attack on me because, first, you opened with the both sides of mouth argument [note my signature] and I would think that makes "you" sound like me. :tongue3: [I'll take the later as a compliment, BTW ]

Second, if it was a personal attack, then I would have to ask then what are you doing Mr."Infantile Bickering" Man if in one breath you...ah, nevermind, ...I think you might be logical enough to know where I'm getting at here.

P.S. I was thinking to tell Op all about his opening question begging argument fallaciously hinging on that exhaustive foreknowledge must lead to determinism along with his attempt to discount the Divine attribute of Omnibenevolence while he also assumes God isn't Omnipotent enough to truly create creature with human freedom which He could interact with in truth...but forget it now!

 

[Aaron]

Martin Luther:

"That seditious articles of doctrine should be punished by the sword needed no further proof. For the rest, the Anabaptists hold tenets relating to infant baptism, original sin, and inspiration, which have no connection with the Word of God, and are indeed opposed to it. ... Secular authorities are also bound to restrain and punish avowedly false doctrine ... For think what disaster would ensue if children were not baptized? ... Besides this the Anabaptists separate themselves from the churches ... and they set up a ministry and congregation of their own, which is also contrary to the command of God. From all this it becomes clear that the secular authorities are bound ... to inflict corporal punishment on the offenders ... Also when it is a case of only upholding some spiritual tenet, such as infant baptism, original sin, and unnecessary separation, then ... we conclude that ... the stubborn sectaries must be put to death."

Yup, Luther was as much of a blankety blank as John Calvin. Happy!:thumbs:

This from a man who whole-heartedly backs the use of the sword to kill some and exile countless others over some broken down piece of real estate . . . all because of doctrine.

See? I can do that too.

Martin Luther: one of my all-time heroes of the Faith. :thumbs:

 

[Aaron]

Except for all the times I have watched Calvinism get brought to its logical conclusion about hell bound little children . . .

I'm your huckleberry. Let's roll.

 

[convicted1]

I'm your huckleberry. Let's roll.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

:wavey:
Doc Holiday vs Johnny Ringo...its been done...interesting turn of phrase however.

 

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by BaptistJG
Except for all the times I have watched Calvinism get brought to its logical conclusion about hell bound little children . . .

Are you kidding me!!! Are you serious!!! BRING a "CALVINIST" to a "LOGICAL CONCLUSION"!!! That'd be the day when they allow THAT to HAPPEN!!

Good luck wit dat...:thumbs:

P.S. OH! My bad, you said bring "Calvinism" to a logical conclusion, not a "Calvinist"...Whew! I was beginning to wonder what planet you were from. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Rippon]

you judge them because they wouldn't go along with your theology of God forcing men to be saved.

Calvinisim does not teach that. You are deliberatedly stating untruths or are totally out of the loop.

Therefore everyone who disagrees with you all, you call them Arminians.

The only regenerate folks with the kind that differs with Calvinistic theology (aside from Amyraldianism) is Arminianism.

You still hold to the fool Augustine.

Better be careful who you call that. There is a high degree of possibility that you haven't read much of Augustine. So you don't don't know what you are talking about.

Calvinism has never been Biblical. It is a false interpretation of the Bible
MB

You and Van are two of a kind.

 

[Rippon]

I've been checking out Calvinism for a very long time and I know what I'm talking about.

You are as much in the dark about it now as you were five years ago.

What I have said about the reformers is a matter of History. Of course your Calvinist church history isn't going to say any thing negative about them selves [sic]

You and Church History do not get along very well.

I could not care less what the council of Trent had to say. They're just a bunch of Catholics claiming they have biblical truth when they don't and never did.

That's the ticket just stay uninformed in the turtle position.

Since you have no knowledge of the Council of Trent you wouldn't know that it opposes Calvinism at nearly every point. But since you thnk Calvinism and Catholicism are nearly the same thing then that would ruin your favorite theme.

 

[DrJamesAch]

This from a man who whole-heartedly backs the use of the sword to kill some and exile countless others over some broken down piece of real estate . . . all because of doctrine.

See? I can do that too.

Martin Luther: one of my all-time heroes of the Faith. :thumbs:

And just who would that be that kills some and exiles others over some broken down piece of real estate.

So you think living in a country where someone else has done something you think is wrong, is the same as directly causing and consenting to death of people for religious reasons? So that means if I simply move out of the country, problem solved right! You and Ahmadinejad have that in common.

 

[DrJamesAch]

You are as much in the dark about it now as you were five years ago.


You and Church History do not get along very well.



That's the ticket just stay uninformed in the turtle position.

Since you have no knowledge of the Council of Trent you wouldn't know that it opposes Calvinism at nearly every point. But since you thnk Calvinism and Catholicism are nearly the same thing then that would ruin your favorite theme.

Just because the Council of Trent opposes Calvinism IN SOME PLACES doesn't mean that Calvinism is not connected to the RCC. The CoT does not agree with Augustine in many places, and yet there is no question about Augustine's influence on the RCC and his canonization. And there is certainly no question about how much agreement there is among Augustine and Calvin (a criminal similarity).