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Why Believe One can Lose Salvation??

Ed Edwards

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The Bible proves by 'reductio ad absurdum'
that one cannot (being once saved) ever lose one's salvation.

"4For it is impossible to keep on restoring to repentance time
and again people who have once been enlightened,
who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have become sharers
of the Holy Spirit,
5 who have tasted the goodness of God's word
and the powers of the coming age,
6 and who have fallen away, as long as they continue
to crucify to themselves the Son of God and to expose him
to public ridicule."

- Hebrews 6:4-6 ISV

A pro for believing in OSAS is that it is BIBLICAL TRUTH.

A con for believing you can 'lose your salvation' is
the fact it is NOT a Biblical Truth
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Tazman:
What are the Pro's and or Con's to believing one can lose their salvation for the reader of the bible?
Option one - accept the Bible teaching on "forgiveness revoked" and benefit from the warnings given in scripture.

Option two - ignore the warnings given in scripture and pretend that in ignoring scripture you "render service to God". But in doing so you place your soul at risk.

In Christ,

Bob
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
The Bible proves by 'reductio ad absurdum'
that one cannot (being once saved) ever lose one's salvation.
Wrong. The bible proves with "warning after warning" that the Christian is to be FULLY AWARE of the danger of losing salvation!

Fallen and yet hoping to be “grafted BACK in again” into the vine of Christ!

Rom 11
18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
23And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

24For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
Having escaped, and tasted of the future life and been partakers of the Holy Spirit – fallen away and then burned.

Heb 6
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God;
8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
Forgiveness revoked –

Matt 18
21 Then Peter came and said to Him, ""Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?''
22 Jesus said to him, ""I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.

23 ""For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves.
24 ""When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him.
25 ""But since he did not have the means to repay, his lord commanded him to be sold, along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made.
26 ""So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying, "Have patience with me and I will repay you everything.'
27 ""And the lord of that slave felt compassion and released him and forgave him the debt.
28 ""But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii; and he seized him and began to choke him, saying, "Pay back what you owe.'
Matt 18 &lt;Forgiveness Revoked!&gt;
29 ""So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him, saying, "Have patience with me and I will repay you.'
30 ""But he was unwilling and went and threw him in prison until he should pay back what was owed.
31 ""So when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved and came and reported to their lord all that had happened.
32 ""Then summoning him, his lord said to him, "You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me.
33 " Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?'
34 ""And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him.
35 "" My heavenly Father will also do the same to you
, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.''
Severed FROM Christ and Fallen from grace

Gal 5
Gal 5
4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness.
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.
7 You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Peace with God replaced by a certain terrifying expectation of judgment to come

Heb 10
26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.
28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
Turned over to Satan – in the shipwreck of faith

1Tim 1
18This command I entrust to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you fight the good fight,
19keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith.
20Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, so that they will be taught not to blaspheme.
Denied by Christ instead of His “confessing us before God and His angels” –


2 Tim 2
11 It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
12 If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
14 Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers.
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
Rom 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the Law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
1Cor 6
7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded?
8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

12 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.
Rom 2
:16on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

25 for indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
26 so if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
At this point Paul jumps fully into the topic of SALVATION! He argues the point of wining the lost. He shows that his focus and goal is fully set on the salvation that is brought through the preaching of the Gospel!

Wining here is “Wining souls for Christ” in the preaching of the Gospel. Preaching the Gospel to others – resulting in their Salvation! In this case to “Win” is to “SAVE”

1Cor 9
19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more.
20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law;
21 to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.
22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some.
Paul shows that “To win is to save”! He preaches the Gospel to others in order to SAVE them – no mention at all of his seeking “a bit more candy when he gets to heaven”. . He mentions nothing about the temporal rewards in heaven of housing, or candy or toys nor does he mention what great honor and room-size reward he is seeking in heaven.

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Now comes that “unpleasant section” for many where Paul points out the seriousness of this Gospel pursuit for the goal of saving people -- so that I may by all means save some. as he says.

1Cor 9
23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.
24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.
25 Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.
26 Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air;
27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached (the Gospel) to others, I myself will not be disqualified
Paul shows his explicit objective when he “Does all things for the sake of the Gospel”. He SAYS he does all things so that “he may become a fellow partaker of IT – the Gospel”!!

Those who want to limit this discussion to “the amount of candy you get in heaven” are missing the entire point. Paul argues for the very basic issue of “participating IN THE GOSPEL”. Not to participate in the ONE Gospel of our salvation – is to be lost brothers and sisters.

It is as a “fellow partaker of the GOSPEL” that Paul wants to live AND to preach. Indeed what is the point of preaching if he is not also PARTAKING of the benefits of the Gospel – eternal life.

Paul shows that his own example in persuing that goal of being “A fellow partaker of the Gospel” is the standard/model/role-model for the saints. Paul argues that ALL saints are pursuing the same eternal imperishable reward in their striving – in their self-discipline. Paul says “but WE do it to receive an IMPERISHABLE objective.


He has left the realm of “I am a leader and Apostle and so I have special rights” to the perspective of WE ALL want to be “Fellow partakers” of the Gospel for as he has just pointed out when the Gospel is received the people are saved. (; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some.)

So now in this “fellow partaker of the Gospel” model for ALL that Paul is offering (in the form of his own life example) he shows how it works. He shows the perspective of the saint, the attitude, the focus the Olympic ALL for the Gospel focus that is NEEDED. IN fact he argues that it is critical EVEN for an Apostle for even in this most exaulted case HE is at risk “LEST after preaching the Gospel to other I MYSELF should be disqualified” from that very Gospel!

How instructive!

Yet how fervently ignored by those who find this to be an “unpleasant” section of scripture!

Take each "detail" and show the meaning IN the 1Cor 9 context itself. Let the argument speak for itself IN the text you are exegeting.

Or do you read vs 23-27 and respond with

Are you saved by self discipline of your body?
And so when Paul says

1 Tim 4
14 Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery.
15 Take pains with these things; be absorbed in them, so that your progress will be evident to all.
16 Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.
Do you respond with

"Are you saved by your efforts of paying close attention, persevering and taking pains with those disciplines?"

Will your response to each of these displeasing texts be simply to challenge them and show how your view of "other texts" don't allow these unpleasant texts to exist??


When Paul says

Phil 3
8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ,
9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,
10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death;
11 in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
12 Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead,
14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
He speaks of “The loss of all things” and the goal of “knowing Christ”. In fact he says his goal is to “gain Christ”. More than this – he seeks to “attain to the resurrection from the dead”.

Those who think that “knowing Christ,” and “gaining Christ” and ‘the resurrection of the righteous” are all things “other than salvation” have not thought about the point of Gospel salvation in the complete form it is presented in scripture.

So when we see such direct appeals to the salvific benefits of the Gospel - do you respond with I would hope that you are humble enough to put no faith in yourself........and at least a little in God!?? Do you rework this into a kind of “its all about Paul’s confidence in himself” story? Why not accept it as the faithful view of the saints of God – just as Paul presents it??

If you see yourself needing to “gloss over” the details of Phil 3 or 1Cor 9 and you if you feel the need to respond to them as “inconvenient test” as you divert attention away from these direct challenges to OSAS and towards some less problematic texts - you can begin to see that those other texts are being taken to extremes so place them in favor of OSAS. If we let the text speak in its full detail does it cause you to immediately jump to some other "more comfortable" text?

IF so - it is a sign that you have taken what your comfortable texts do not actually say explicitly and have added "inferences" that were never in those texts to start with.

In the case of these "unpleasant" texts - it is the mere quote of them and the insistence on seeing their details rather than glossing over them that is causes so many to have heart burn.

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Can we “retranslate” 1Cor 9:27 so it will be more “Acceptable” for OSAS?

1 Cor 9 (NASB)
27but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

1 Cor 9 -- Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
27 Instead, I discipline my body and bring it under strict control, so that after preaching to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

1 Cor 9 (NKJV)
27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

1 Cor 9 Darby Translation (DARBY)
27But I buffet my body, and lead it captive, lest [after] having preached to others I should be myself rejected.
 

Ed Edwards

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BobRyan: //At this point Paul jumps fully into the topic of SALVATION!
He argues the point of wining the lost. He shows that his
focus and goal is fully set on the salvation that is brough
through the preaching of the Gospel!//

But this directly contradicts all the verses you quoted
in three or four posts thinking
they teach: lost after salvation. Why would Paul try to save
people if it doesn't STICK?


As for the topic question:
Why Believe One can Lose Salvation??
I can't think of a reason why one would want to.
One who is saved should be way to busy working for Jesus
because of what Jesus did when Jesus saved them PERMENANTLY.

Phil 3:14 //14 I press on toward the goal for
the prize of the upward call
of God in Christ Jesus.//

Not the 'downward call' that you save others or fry yourself :(
 

Tazman

New Member
This is the fact:

1. You cannot completely embrace Christ call for repentance if you do not believe his warnings are for you.

If the Church in Sardis listened to you and instead of Jesus they would then be in danger of Following the tradition of the elders and lose connection with Christ. Be blotted out!

Rev 3:

1"To the angelof the church in Sardis write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. 3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. 4 Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. 6He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

A message like this will lack it's honesty, in my opinion, if it were filtered through OSAS as you understand it.

2. One will never understand the completeness of the message if they think they are above it.
 

Tazman

New Member
Originally posted by steaver:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Those born of God will continue to serve and obey him. This is if you accept the full definition of someone "Born again". It NEVER lacks a continued connection and obedience to Christ. Never!
Are you declaring that you are born-again and have NEVER disobeyed Christ since?

God Bless!
</font>[/QUOTE]It's called repentance. That should help any concern you have. REPENTANCE!

Why repent if you don't have to? The gopel as Jesus began, "REPENT, for the Kingdom of God is near", "REPENT and believe the God news". John prepared the way with repentance.

Repentance is key to staying faithful in pleasing Him (Period!) Your message simply lacks the full gospel which CLEARLY began and end with repentace.
 

steaver

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It's called repentance. That should help any concern you have. REPENTANCE!

Why repent if you don't have to? The gopel as Jesus began, "REPENT, for the Kingdom of God is near", "REPENT and believe the God news". John prepared the way with repentance.

Repentance is key to staying faithful in pleasing Him (Period!) Your message simply lacks the full gospel which CLEARLY began and end with repentace.
Sorry, your the one who said..."It NEVER lacks a continued connection and obedience to Christ. Never!"

That is "NEVER" and "NEVER!"

I guess you have disobeyed from time to time then. So don't say NEVER!

God Bless!
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
BobRyan: //At this point Paul jumps fully into the topic of SALVATION!
He argues the point of wining the lost. He shows that his
focus and goal is fully set on the salvation that is brough
through the preaching of the Gospel!//
Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
But this directly contradicts all the verses you quoted in three or four posts thinking
they teach: lost after salvation. Why would Paul try to save people if it doesn't STICK?
That is pretty funny Ed!! The only way this 1 Cor 9 fact COULD contradict my point is IF IT DID teach OSAS!! See?? I don't believe in OSAS!

In 1Cor 9 we SEE Paul place the focus squarly ON SALVATION itself. And then Devastatingly to the OSAS POV Paul APPLIES THE RISK to HIMSELF saying "LEST after preaching the Gospel to others" (and others getting the Gospel BENEfIT stated in 1Cor 9 which is -- SALVATION) "I myself should be disqualified" (From that VERY BENEFIT that was explicitly identified IN the chapter!)

Ahh what a beautiful thing CONTEXT is!! What a great thing - exegesis!!


Ed said

Phil 3:14 //14 I press on toward the goal for
the prize of the upward call
of God in Christ Jesus.//

Not the 'downward call' that you save others or fry yourself
Ahh NOW we have the acid TEST! Finally Ed agrees to be "objective". Here in Phil 3 we see the UPWARD positive motivation. Ed argues that WE SHOULD NOT SEE the NEGATIVE motivation AWAY from falling back into sin AS IF failure were even possible.

HENCE we get "back again" to 1Cor 9 and ALL THE OTHER texts so ignored by those who claim that the Bible should NOT contain them!!

Finally - an objective line drawn (in this case by Ed) that can be "tested" via the contents of scripture!

Many thanks!!

In Christ,

Bob
 

Ed Edwards

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BobRyan: //See?? I don't believe in OSAS!//

Let me rephrase it and see if you agree:

Jesus Saves!!!

Jesus says how He saves in John 3:16 (KJV1611 Edition):

For God so loued ye world, that he gaue his only
begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him,
should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.

There is a new poll at:
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/39/1597.html#000001

you have an opinion on it, go vote (Don't forget your BACK key:)
 

Tazman

New Member
Originally posted by steaver:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> It's called repentance. That should help any concern you have. REPENTANCE!

Why repent if you don't have to? The gopel as Jesus began, "REPENT, for the Kingdom of God is near", "REPENT and believe the God news". John prepared the way with repentance.

Repentance is key to staying faithful in pleasing Him (Period!) Your message simply lacks the full gospel which CLEARLY began and end with repentace.
Sorry, your the one who said..."It NEVER lacks a continued connection and obedience to Christ. Never!"

That is "NEVER" and "NEVER!"

I guess you have disobeyed from time to time then. So don't say NEVER!

God Bless!
</font>[/QUOTE]1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Simple Steaver.

For some one who believes OSAS the way you do, repentance has no value in salvation.
Not that its about perfection, but it's about a continued humble and repentant heart for God. When we sin, he will forgive us when WE CONFESS (I guess your theology rejects confession fo sin, call it work as well). Forgiveness, still not of ourselves, but is given when we confess our sins. But this is too much "WORK" for you isn't it. :rolleyes:

Yes, I do blow it Steaver, but my heart still desires to change for Him and so I follow ALL the apostles teachings to the best of my knowledge and ability, while confessing, repenting and growing in Christ. I will not blow off Jesus' warning in order to give myself a FALSE sense of security.

Jesus draws the line, not you. That's the problem with your Theology OSAS as you understand it.

Rev 3: (Jesus is very clear, repent or be blotted out believers!)
OSAS is TRUE only for those who continue in the Faith in Christ. You know: "Perservere till the end" "Be counted worthy" ya know stuff like that.

Jesus is the only way.
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Tazman

New Member
Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
BobRyan: //See?? I don't believe in OSAS!//

Let me rephrase it and see if you agree:

Jesus Saves!!!

Jesus says how He saves in John 3:16 (KJV1611 Edition):

For God so loued ye world, that he gaue his only
begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him,
should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.

There is a new poll at:
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/39/1597.html#000001

you have an opinion on it, go vote (Don't forget your BACK key:)
Is everyone welcomed ;)
 

steaver

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Site Supporter
For some one who believes OSAS the way you do, repentance has no value in salvation.
The only repentance needed for salvation is to repent from unbelief. After that repentance is required daily for a close walk with God.

Not that its about perfection, but it's about a continued humble and repentant heart for God. When we sin, he will forgive us when WE CONFESS... Forgiveness, still not of ourselves, but is given when we confess our sins. But this is too much "WORK" for you isn't it.
Not at all. A hearty Amen!

Yes, I do blow it Steaver, but my heart still desires to change for Him and so I follow ALL the apostles teachings to the best of my knowledge and ability, while confessing, repenting and growing in Christ.
Amen again!
I will not blow off Jesus' warning in order to give myself a FALSE sense of security.
A FALSE sense of security is in thyself. My security lies in the hands of Jesus ALONE. I trust He will keep that which I have entrusted to Him.
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God Bless!
 

Tazman

New Member
Posted by Steaver:
The only repentance needed for salvation is to repent from unbelief. After that repentance is required daily for a close walk with God.
If you really blieve this, please accept the following:

1. Did the Rich Young Man not Believe in Jesus?

If not, the why? What make you think that He didn't believe?


Posted by Tazman:
Not that its about perfection, but it's about a continued humble and repentant heart for God. When we sin, he will forgive us when WE CONFESS... Forgiveness, still not of ourselves, but is given when we confess our sins. But this is too much "WORK" for you isn't it.
Steaver, you agree with this?
Why would a believer in OSAS need to repent? :confused:

And you may not have notice but you also agreed to obtaining something from God by your own actions :eek:
 

steaver

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1. Did the Rich Young Man not Believe in Jesus?

If not, the why? What make you think that He didn't believe?
He did not believe in Jesus. Why not? He did not accept Jesus' teaching, he went away rather than follow.

Steaver, you agree with this?
Why would a believer in OSAS need to repent?
Because God commands it for the well being of His children, the saved, the born-again. So the saved may grow to do that which is righteous in God's eyes. So God's child will bear much fruit. So God's child may receive great blessings. Salvation has already been settled at rebirth.

God Bless!
 

Ed Edwards

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Originally posted by Tazman:

Why would a believer in OSAS need to repent? :confused:
Because the Bible says to
repent when you sin.

1 John 1:9 (KJV1611 Edition):
If we confesse our sinnes, hee is faithfull,
& iust to forgiue vs our sinnes, and to cleanse vs from
all vnrighteousnesse.

OSAS is not, cannot, and should not be
used as a sin license. People who use
the Doctrine of Eternal Security of the
Believer for a sin license HAVE YET TO
BE 'ONCE SAVED'.

Again, for the saved, there are three
elements to salvation:

1. Past - JUSTIFICATION, all sin up
the time of initial salvation is forgiven
(after having been repented of), but JESUS SAVES

2. Present - SCANTIFICATION, all current
sins is forgiven (after having been repented
of), but JESUS SAVES!

3. Future -GLORIFICATION, Jesus replaces
our old body with a new, eternal on just like
He had from His Resurrection. JESUS SAVES!
 

Ed Edwards

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Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
BobRyan: //See?? I don't believe in OSAS!//

Let me rephrase it and see if you agree:

Jesus Saves!!!

Jesus says how He saves in John 3:16 (KJV1611 Edition):

For God so loued ye world, that he gaue his only
begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him,
should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.

There is a new poll at:
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/39/1597.html#000001

you have an opinion on it, go vote (Don't forget your BACK key:)
Sorry to direct
you to a BAPTIST ONLY area. Non-Baptists
cannot vote in a BAPTIST ONLY AREA.

Nobody can tell when you vote if you are
Baptist or not. So a non-Baptist could vote
in the Poll. Whether or not a non-Baptist
would vote in a Baptist Only Poll is a matter
of the individual conscience of the non-Baptist.
I ain't gonna recommend either course.
 
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