Why Can't They See This?

[Dale-c]

We've noticed quite the opposite as the op - most of the young Christians (20-30 year old) are SEARCHING for truth and doctrine and depth and reality in contrast to the shallow fluff of some churches.

It is exciting to see the hunger for more than the typical Sunday School pablum.

This is absolutely true Dr Bob.
Many many young people are awakening to the the truth. It is the older generation that is the problem, though many of them are coming around to.
The sad thing is that the presbyterians are getting many more people than we are.
The reason is that aside from baptism, they are much more Biblical than most bapists.
At leas the ones I am familiar with.
I am familiar with many from the OPC and RPCNA.

 

[TCGreek]

But see here in lies the problem, you lump all who do not believe as you in the same catagory with Pelagians and semi-Pelagains who were absolute heritics. Their main tenent of belief is that man must FIRST come to God without any divine intervention and absolute untrue and contested avidly by non-cals. Your assumption is that if it isn't Calvinistic God is dethroned. It is a strange wonder that those Non-Cals who hold the opposite true think the VERY same thing of your 'veiws'.

Isn't it true that in classic Arminianism that even though grace takes the initiative in regeneration that is still depends on man's cooperation for its effectiveness? This is why I lumped them all together, including Arminianism, which is one step removed from Semi-Pelagianism, which is one step removed from Pelagianism.

This is another funny point to me. There is not a Non-Cal alive who deny's this but we diligently preach this. These are immutable truths. What we differ on is the mechanics of operation of these truths.

But at the end of the day, salvation is no longer monoergistic but synergistic. Mechanics of operation is trying to dodge the real issue. I wish it were that simple.

Actaully I'm preaching verse by verse in a new church work God has lead me into here in S. Dakota. And I can say without reservation I disagree with you here. Your observation is lightly made and presumptuous at best but does not accurately portray to truth of what the Non-Cal sees. I can say with certainty that commentaries I have used to reference 1 Peter with both Calvinist and Non alike show the same message and teach the very same things. The only difference is NOT the truths but our views of the mechanics of operation.

To be among the elect in the face of persecution, having been called to suffer (2:21), is precious to me. I am kept by the power of God through faith, which is itself is a gift of God (v.5). How precious is that to hear in trials!

"Through Silvanus, whom I know to be a faithful brother, I have written to you briefly, in order to encourage you and testify that this is the true grace of God. Stand fast in it." (v.12, emphasis added)[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[Jkdbuck76]

Another C vs A flaming thread.

I guess nobody tires of it like I do.

 

[webdog]

This is absolutely true Dr Bob.
Many many young people are awakening to the the truth. It is the older generation that is the problem, though many of them are coming around to.
The sad thing is that the presbyterians are getting many more people than we are.
The reason is that aside from baptism, they are much more Biblical than most bapists.
At leas the ones I am familiar with.
I am familiar with many from the OPC and RPCNA.

This post is so wrong on so many fronts...I don't know where to begin, so I won't :BangHead: