Why Did Adam Do It?

[skypair]

Ya I have trouble with Christ finding out anything as well. I believe God purposed to save his people before the foundation of the World.

Consider this then, Jeremy --- why did Jesus say that "many times" He would have gathered to Israel Himself as a hen gathers her chicks? Did He lie? Cause if He wanted to gather them and He is your definition of God, He could, couldn't He? Or at least He wouldn't lie about trying to gather those He had no intention and no possibility of gathering, would He?

skypair

 

[skypair]

While I don't agree with all of skypair's post I do believe the Bible tells us that Adam knew exactly what he was doing when he ate the fruit.

This is actually a very indepth picture and quite a lovely picture when fully understood as to it's meaning. Adam and Eve were created to rule the earth (there's a lot more to even this story, but for time's sake will not be expounded on) and they were to do so as one person. Eve was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh.

When Eve ate of the fruit she was no longer in a position to rule the earth. He saw his wife in a fallen state and new that in order for him to rule as he was instructed that his wife would have to be redeemed. The only way that would be possible is for him to join her in that state and then to be redeemed together.

It's the picture of Christ seeing His bride in a fallen state and becoming sin to bring about her redemption.

These stories that are most often just glanced over and very little time spent on them are actually quite awesome when we see how they tie into the whole big picture.

Good one, J Jump! :thumbs:

skypair

 

[johnp.]

Well, if Adam had been there, he would have protested the serpent's words or physically kept Eve from eating, as I see it. Instead, he was left with "saving" her by going with her in disobedience.

Adam was with Eve and he knew was going to eat the fruit for himself not her. GE 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Two sin don't make a right.

john.

 

[amity]

Lilith

I have a question. Genesis 1:27 says "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them." This is an entire chapter before God took Eve from Adam's rib.

I have just learned that this is the basis for an old Jewish tradition that Adam had another wife before Eve, named Lilith.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie

What else could this earlier passage mean? Does anyone believe that Adam might have had a first wife prior to Eve?

 

[DHK]

Main Entry: Lil·ith
Pronunciation: 'li-l&th
Function: noun
Etymology: Late Hebrew lIlIth, from Hebrew, a female demon
1 : a woman who in rabbinic legend is Adam's first wife, is supplanted by Eve, and becomes an evil spirit
2 : a famous witch in medieval demonology

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/lilith

We go by the Bible. It is our final authority in all matters of faith and doctrine, not medieval demonology.

 

[amity]

Main Entry: Lil·ith
Pronunciation: 'li-l&th
Function: noun
Etymology: Late Hebrew lIlIth, from Hebrew, a female demon
1 : a woman who in rabbinic legend is Adam's first wife, is supplanted by Eve, and becomes an evil spirit
2 : a famous witch in medieval demonology

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/lilith

We go by the Bible. It is our final authority in all matters of faith and doctrine, not medieval demonology.

Well, OF COURSE! What I am asking for is some scriptural interpretation. How do you interpret thhat passage of scripture. Was there a first wife?

 

[DHK]

Well, OF COURSE! What I am asking for is some scriptural interpretation. How do you interpret thhat passage of scripture. Was there a first wife?

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God created Adam and Eve. This is a general statement of what he did on the sixth day of creation, along with the creation of land animals. The more specific details of the creation of Adam and Eve are given in the following chapter. It isn't a separte creation, but rather a more detailed account of the same creation.

 

[Brother Jeremy Slone]

Consider this then, Jeremy --- why did Jesus say that "many times" He would have gathered to Israel Himself as a hen gathers her chicks? Did He lie? Cause if He wanted to gather them and He is your definition of God, He could, couldn't He? Or at least He wouldn't lie about trying to gather those He had no intention and no possibility of gathering, would He?

skypair

I am looking at the type of Christ from Adam and the type of the Church from Eve. As far as the will of Christ it is to do His Father's Will. And according to John 6:39 this is the Father's will And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

as far as Matthew 23:37 He said he would have but they would not. No i don't think he lied. and show me where he tried and failed. it said he would have but they would not. When we read scriptures Some things God does for us with out conditions and Some things He does for us with conditions.

 

[npetreley]

as far as Matthew 23:37 He said he would have but they would not. No i don't think he lied. and show me where he tried and failed. it said he would have but they would not. When we read scriptures Some things God does for us with out conditions and Some things He does for us with conditions.

37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you,

Above == YOU

how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings

I have longed to gather YOUR CHILDREN together (not YOU, YOUR CHILDREN)

but you were not willing.

YOU (you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you) were not willing

The entire section starting with the beginning of the chapter is a condemnation of the leaders - the scribes, teachers of the law, etc. Jesus is saying that they have wronged the children of Jerusalem by their error and wickedness. It never says Jesus will not save these children, it just says Jesus desired to comfort and protect the children through worthy teachers and leaders, but they would not. Instead, they killed the prophets, etc.

There's no "tried and failed" issue here at all, just a "I desire X, but you made it Y". In fact, if the leaders weren't wicked, they wouldn't have resisted Jesus, in which case Jesus would not have been crucified, etc. So if Jesus tried, He would have succeeded (since Jesus never fails), and that would have thrown a monkey wrench into the big plan.

 

[skypair]

Adam was with Eve and he knew was going to eat the fruit for himself not her. GE 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Two sin don't make a right.

john.

Again, friend -- "the WOMAN was deceived" and "in the transgression" 1Tim 2:14.

Had Adam been there at the time of the deception, who knows what the outcome would have been. But since Adam wasn't deceived according to scripture, it is logical to conclude that he would have kept Eve from the transgression, right? The scripture seems even to imply that Adam WASN'T in the transgression.

I take it that there is a period after she ate it to show us one thought divided from another. That is, she ate it. She gave it to Adam who was with her when he knew that she had eaten and when she gave it to him.

You and I might have the same cold and I tell you to go get some cough syrup. You go but your cough is so bad that you 'take a swig' right at the store. Then you come back and when you gave it to me, I was with you at that time.

skypair

 

[Brother Jeremy Slone]

There's no "tried and failed" issue here at all, just a "I desire X, but you made it Y". In fact, if the leaders weren't wicked, they wouldn't have resisted Jesus, in which case Jesus would not have been crucified, etc. So if Jesus tried, He would have succeeded (since Jesus never fails), and that would have thrown a monkey wrench into the big plan.

Yes i believe there is no tried and failed as well, I thought I would respond since you quoted me with your post. I believe the rejection of Christ by Israel was forknown and permitted by God for His own purpose of having mercy upon all. I believe the 9th, 10th, and 11th chapters of Romans teaches this. What I believe is God does those things for enternal life with out us and our blessings and joys of this salvation is often according to obedience in time. I to reject God tries to do anything and He never fails. But it boils down if your a premill you think God failed because they think the Church is a consolation prize when it is the kingdom Israel rejected and they were looking for the wrong outward kingdom as some christians are looking for now. I was sticking to the original post on adam and eve and I was responding to skypair. you can read our posts and see why I brought it up when he used the word trying for Jesus.

 

[npetreley]

But it boils down if your a premill you think God failed because they think the Church is a consolation prize when it is the kingdom Israel rejected

I laughed out loud at this. That was a great way of putting it.