Why did Jesus make wine?

[LeBuick]

1. Drinking wine at the dinner table was common in Jesus' day.

2. Jesus would have used wine over and over again. Why do you think He was accused of being a drunkard? It is precisely because He dined with sinners, drinking wine (Matt. 11:19).

3. So there was no harm in Jesus making wine that day, for it was common place to serve the best wine.

Interesting view, so you're saying the WHY was innocent and in harmony with custom as well as not contributing to sin itself?

I think this is close to what Helen wrote;

Wedding parties were about a week long. People traveled long distances for them and were put up by friends and relatives for the week. The groom was LEGALLY responsible for all refreshments. If he had run out of wine during that week he would have been legally liable, to the point of being jailed.

It was real wine and the reason for the miracle was to keep the man safe from legal liability. We have 'receptions' of just a couple of hours long, so the culture that celebrates for a week is far from us. But that is the way it was.

It was real wine and it was done for very compassionate and practical reasons. God works that way. If the water had simply been turned into grape juice and the groom had tried to use that in place of wine, his honeymoon would have been a 'bit' delayed...

I decided I will argue this from the pulpit tomorrow, I can't wait to see where the Lord leads me... I am thinking for a subject, "Was the Wine, Divine"? meaning no matter what you believe was in the pots, it was made by Christ. I wil then explore why wine and why this feast.

 

[TCGreek]

Interesting view, so you're saying the WHY was innocent and in harmony with custom as well as not contributing to sin itself?

I think this is close to what Helen wrote;



I decided I will argue this from the pulpit tomorrow, I can't wait to see where the Lord leads me... I am thinking for a subject, "Was the Wine, Divine"? meaning no matter what you believe was in the pots, it was made by Christ. I wil then explore why wine and why this feast.

Let me know how it went over. :thumbs:

 

[Gwyneth]

John 2:10 - And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.


It states and when men have well drunk not were `well drunk. `

 

[kubel]

I believe there was alcoholic wine served, at least until Jesus decided to do his miracle.

3184 methuo {meth-oo'-o}
from another form of 3178; TDNT - 4:545,576; v
AV - be drunken 5, have well drunk 1, be made drunk 1; 7
1) to be drunken 2) metaph. of one who has shed blood or murdered profusely​

My answer to "Why did Jesus make wine?" may be a bit shallow: Because he could. Does he really need a reason? I mean, come on... he's Jesus .

 

[Alcott]

After all this periphery, I will answer the question:

Why did Jesus make wine? Because a bunch of wedding guests were thirsty.

 

[LeBuick]

Let me know how it went over. :thumbs:

Went well, I went with, "He saved the best for Last" as a subject which allowed me to finish at the cross.

Basically, Satan will trich you with good then watch it turn bad/evil.
Jesus starts with good which just keep getting better.

As for the question, it was done so the Son of Man might be glorified. This was his first miracle after being baptized and tested in the wilderness. I guess he needed an ice breaker...

I am left with the question, are some of our standards higher then those of the kingdom?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Nothing satan can give you is good. All that is good comes from the Father of lights, not the father of lies.

Alcohol is poison, it is not good.

 

[TCGreek]

Went well, I went with, "He saved the best for Last" as a subject which allowed me to finish at the cross.

Basically, Satan will trich you with good then watch it turn bad/evil.
Jesus starts with good which just keep getting better.

1. Good stuff!

As for the question, it was done so the Son of Man might be glorified. This was his first miracle after being baptized and tested in the wilderness. I guess he needed an ice breaker...

I am left with the question, are some of our standards higher then those of the kingdom?

2. Much of Christianity in the West is legalistic. I don't know how many of our local churches would welcome a radical like Jesus.

a. He sat and dined with the scum of society and they called Him a glutton and a drunkard (Matt 11).

b. He allowed a rescued woman of the night to express her gratitude and his integrity was challenged (Luke 8).

3. I propose that we understand the real world of Jesus and the dinner customs and our comments would be better informed.

 

[Joe]

I am left with the question, are some of our standards higher then those of the kingdom?

No, because we aren't ordered to drink wine.
Alcohol is known primarily for it's destruction. It's almost always the prelude to committing adultery, just take a glass and relax just enough....why take that chance when it is so much easier to say no to the alcohol first than it may be to the lady next? Even if you don't go that far, why is it ok to flirt? You almost know it's gonna happen after a drink, whether it's just looking or talking.
Why fill your body with poison for no reason?
Our bodies are to be temples remember?
Not even "social" drinkers are allowed around my wife, I am no dummy. Well, maybe a just few that I trust but overall, not many. It's hard enough to keep the sober ones at bay.
You guys live in caves?

 

[Amy.G]

Why did Jesus make wine?

Because His mom asked Him to.

Good Son.

 

[Joe]

Why did Jesus make wine?

Because His mom asked Him to.

Good Son.

That appears true. It also might be because Jesus was suppose to be a man enduring all of the same temptations as men. So if the wine was alcoholic, and he was drunk, then maybe it was for the purpose of temptation. Maybe there were women there, and it added to the temptation. There could have been a purpose, a reason, for it with regards to Jesus.

I do not see that purpose regarding ordinary men.

 

[TCGreek]

That appears true. It also might be because Jesus was suppose to be a man enduring all of the same temptations as men. So if the wine was alcoholic, and he was drunk, then maybe it was for the purpose of temptation. Maybe there were women there, and it added to the temptation. There could have been a purpose, a reason, for it with regards to Jesus.

I do not see that purpose regarding ordinary men.

How did you arrive at this?

 

[Amy.G]

That appears true. It also might be because Jesus was suppose to be a man enduring all of the same temptations as men. So if the wine was alcoholic, and he was drunk, then maybe it was for the purpose of temptation. Maybe there were women there, and it added to the temptation. There could have been a purpose, a reason, for it with regards to Jesus.

I do not see that purpose regarding ordinary men.

Are you serious? Jesus would have never been drunk. We are commanded to be sober. He was always obedient to the Father.

 

[Joe]

Are you serious? Jesus would have never been drunk. We are commanded to be sober. He was always obedient to the Father.

I never said Jesus WAS drunk. I said IF he was drunk.
So if Jesus was drunk, what was the purpose?

Example: We are not to work on the Sabbath. Jesus worked in the field on the Sabbath. He was not breaking the Sabbath because of the reasons behind it.

We are not to be drunk. So why would Jesus risk being drunk? I figure there were reasons behind it if it was so. Temptation was all I could come up with, as that is the obvious conclusion to me. Let's say Jesus drank wine, this doesn't mean it's ok for us to drink it.

No one needs to answer, this was more as a food for thought.

Maybe this only makes sense to me.

 

[Joe]

How did you arrive at this?

I don't know

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

Wow, this thread like most of the messages I have heard on John 2 has deteriorated into a fight over whether the wine was alcoholic or not. I have heard several messages from Baptist pulpits on John 2 and preached on it myself when I was a pastor. The question of whether or not Jesus consumed or created wine with an alcoholic content is interesting debate for our modern society but is ENTIRELY irrelevant to answering LeBuick’s question

This is not to debate if the wine was fermented or not.

A member asked me why Jesus would make wine . . .

Why did Jesus make wine?

I must reject the easy answers of “Because the people were thirsty,” and “Because his mama asked him to.” I am sorry those would mean this miracle was for personal comfort or for materialistic reasons. Every miracle in the Bible is given to us for the same reasons; to point people to Jesus and to reveal to us through teaching the truths of God. Jesus would have no more turned water to wine just to satisfy the guests at the wedding or his mother than he would have turned stones to bread when he was hungry. In fact the guests and his mother did not see the miracle and although his mother may have suspected, the ruler of the feast knew not where the wine came from.

When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;

What then, are the lessons we can learn from this miracle? Here are several I have taught and learned:

• Jesus and his disciples were invited to the wedding – and God should be invited to every wedding and a part of every home.
• When they had a problem Mary knew where to look for answers. She went straight to Jesus with her problem and Jesus was the source of her solution.
• Whatever Jesus tells us to do, we should do it. Even when it does not make sense or seams foolish to us at the moment we should obey Christ.
• God reveals himself to those who obey him! The ruler of the feast never knew a miracle occurred, but the servants knew. When we are serving and obeying Christ, that is when he will reveal himself to us.
• Blessings that come from Christ are superior to anything the world has to offer. Only Christ can give us the “good” wine and his is better than any other.

But the most important thing I learned from this miracle. How Jesus can take something common and worthless, water and wash pots and through his presence turn it into something wonderful and miraculous, not just wine, but the best wine. Water has no nutritional value, but wine, fermented or not contains nutrients that refresh and rebuild our bodies and encourage our minds. I can come to Him with water, and Jesus can take my water and turn it into wine. Praise his holy name!

 

[Amy.G]

QUOTE=North Carolina Tentmaker:
I must reject the easy answers of “Because the people were thirsty,” and “Because his mama asked him to.” I am sorry those would mean this miracle was for personal comfort or for materialistic reasons.

TM, when I said "because His mom asked Him to", I wasn't being serious, just trying to lighten the mood. Sorry, you misunderstood.

I don't know why Jesus made the wine. Possibly because He's God and can do whatever pleases Him, like healing on the Sabbath. I am comforted and strengthened knowing that He's in control, even behind the scenes where I can't see Him working, just like the guests at the wedding.

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

TM, when I said "because His mom asked Him to", I wasn't being serious, just trying to lighten the mood. Sorry, you misunderstood.

I don't know why Jesus made the wine. Possibly because He's God and can do whatever pleases Him, like healing on the Sabbath. I am comforted and strengthened knowing that He's in control, even behind the scenes where I can't see Him working, just like the guests at the wedding.

I appreciate your confidence in our father Amy. I did not mean to single you out with the "mom asked Him to" comment.

 

[Amy.G]

I appreciate your confidence in our father Amy. I did not mean to single you out with the "mom asked Him to" comment.

:thumbs:

:godisgood:

 

[Jkdbuck76]

Why did Jesus make wine?

they had no wine.