Why do Arminians have such a small view of God?

[Calv1]

Isaiah 43:7
Rev 4:11
God gets no glory from a puppet on a string.

What puppet on a string are you talking about? Listen pal why don't you study then come back, you're really embarrassing yourself.

 

[Reynolds]

What puppet on a string are you talking about? Listen pal why don't you study then come back, you're really embarrassing yourself.

Does not take you long to begin leveling insults. Seems there is quite a nastiness that accompanies many Calvinists. I could not be more studied on the topic of reformed theology, but It is a topic that that for the most part bores me. For some reason, about the only people who care to regularly discuss it are hyper Calvinists. Even though most Calvinists argue viciously against being put in the box, Calvinisms logical conclusion is simply puppets on a string. I know a few Calvinists who are secure enough in their beliefs to readily admit that fact. Pal, Bud, Hoss, or whoever you are.

 

[Rob_BW]

I expect it. I also expect biblical data proving free will. So far the claims have been emotional, but biblically weak.

If you expected it, then why were you amazed, in your own words, at one of the responses?

Insults begat insults, and if you weren't purposefully looking for a mean spirited exchange, you may want to avoid insults in your thread titles.

 

[JamesL]

What a way to argue! Of course they don't SAY IT, but it's the result if you think of their position.

But the OP claims to have seen people STATE it.

A false statement indeed

 

[JamesL]

Funny I just asked for chapter and verse also, don't hold your breathe, it's a perfect example of man spouting out something he either heard somewhere, believes in fallen reason, but has zero scriptural support, I GUARANTEE YOU this guy, out of frustration for not being able to find one verse to support his position will attack up personally, watch I've done this along time

you seem awful proud of yourself and your assessments

 

[JamesL]

Rob, with respect you will find over time you, whether you like it or not fall into one of the camps. I can ask you a series of questions, and everyone on this board will give the exact same answer as to which camp you are in based on those questions, as it's so obvious. You're new, that's fine, welcome to the debate, trust in the Lord and His word whether you agree, makes sense or not

He's new....
That's rich.

One of the camps....
That's even better.

Calvinism is nothing but Arminianism in disguise, so I guess you have that going for you...

 

[MennoSota]

Does not take you long to begin leveling insults. Seems there is quite a nastiness that accompanies many Calvinists. I could not be more studied on the topic of reformed theology, but It is a topic that that for the most part bores me. For some reason, about the only people who care to regularly discuss it are hyper Calvinists. Even though most Calvinists argue viciously against being put in the box, Calvinisms logical conclusion is simply puppets on a string. I know a few Calvinists who are secure enough in their beliefs to readily admit that fact. Pal, Bud, Hoss, or whoever you are.

Reynolds, your simplistic conclusion, apart from logic and God's word is the idea of puppetry. If you actually studied God's word and placed the ideas of mere men in subjection to God's word you would realize how wrong you are.
Your ability to let God's word guide you above all else is the issue, not your imagined puppetry. That is your straw man designed to keep yourself as the Lord of your life and God as a mere advisor you call on if you can't figure it out on your own.

 

[MennoSota]

If you expected it, then why were you amazed, in your own words, at one of the responses?

Insults begat insults, and if you weren't purposefully looking for a mean spirited exchange, you may want to avoid insults in your thread titles.

Truth does insult some people who have a small god.

 

[MennoSota]

Calvinism is nothing but Arminianism in disguise, so I guess you have that going for you...

LOL, That's the equivalent of me saying Arminianism is nothing but Mormonism in disguise. It's so ludicrous as to be funny. Thanks for the humor.

Big God or small god?

 

[JamesL]

LOL, That's the equivalent of me saying Arminianism is nothing but Mormonism in disguise. It's so ludicrous as to be funny. Thanks for the humor.

I've demonstrated it here before, with no one even attempting to refute it with any substance. Only a big "nuh-uh"

Big God or small god?

You and your theological cousins have the same God.... the one who does not understand the concept of "faith alone"

 

[MennoSota]

I've demonstrated it here before, with no one even attempting to refute it with any substance. Only a big "nuh-uh"


You and your theological cousins have the same God.... the one who does not understand the concept of "faith alone"

Okay, show us faith alone.

No grace is apparently needed in your Bible so show us your text where faith alone is required by God on order for God to adopt us.

 

[steaver]

Simple, they haven't studied the bible, or don't believe it, one or the other. Scripture is clear throughout that all things that come to pass are ordained by God, even the foolishness of men, the Ostrich who forgets it's eggs, and the false teachers.

When you say ordained by God, are you saying God caused all things that come to pass? Like God caused Adam to sin?

 

[steaver]

In talking with some Arminians on this board, I have noticed they consistently state that God has purposely placed His will in subordination under man's will.

They claim this is God's will, which is to be unable to change the heart of men without man's full consent. They claim that any overriding of man's will is tantamount to enslaving humans and making them puppets of God.

This castrates God's Sovereignty and makes God a mere advisor and places each man as the sovereign ruler of his/her own dominion.

Why would a Christian want God to be so small?

You are going to have to be more specific when speaking about God's will and man's will. When does God's will take effect and when does God allow man's will take effect? Does God have the right to give man a choice (will) without giving up His own Sovereign will?

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"

Looks like it is Jesus' will to gather all the Israelites together under His arms, but the will of the Israelites wins out.

 

[InTheLight]

Reynolds, your simplistic conclusion, apart from logic and God's word is the idea of puppetry. If you actually studied God's word and placed the ideas of mere men in subjection to God's word you would realize how wrong you are.
Your ability to let God's word guide you above all else is the issue, not your imagined puppetry. That is your straw man designed to keep yourself as the Lord of your life and God as a mere advisor you call on if you can't figure it out on your own.

As to puppetry, to quote your cohort:
Of course they don't SAY IT, but it's the result if you think of their position.

 

[MennoSota]

You are going to have to be more specific when speaking about God's will and man's will. When does God's will take effect and when does God allow man's will take effect? Does God have the right to give man a choice (will) without giving up His own Sovereign will?

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"

Looks like it is Jesus' will to gather all the Israelites together under His arms, but the will of the Israelites wins out.

God's will always overrides the actions of men. By God’s ordained will even evil is worked out to bring about God's glory.

The verse you pluck has already been addressed. Read Ezekiel and Jeremiah to understand the Sovereign work of God in placing stumbling blocks before those who will not believe. Read Romans 9 to see how Paul brings that all together.

So, your initial observation cannot be accurate or else it contradicts the rest of scripture.

Does the Bible contradict itself, steaver?

 

[MennoSota]

As to puppetry, to quote your cohort:
Of course they don't SAY IT, but it's the result if you think of their position.

I don't know the context. Try again.

 

[InTheLight]

I don't know the context. Try again.

Why do Arminians have such a small view of God?

 

[MennoSota]

Why do Arminians have such a small view of God?

Didn't help. Try again.

What are you referring to?

 

[steaver]

God's will always overrides the actions of men. By God’s ordained will even evil is worked out to bring about God's glory.

Let's just clarify. Was it Adam's will to sin or was it God's will that Adam would sin?

The verse you pluck has already been addressed. Read Ezekiel and Jeremiah to understand the Sovereign work of God in placing stumbling blocks before those who will not believe. Read Romans 9 to see how Paul brings that all together.

Can you explain why God would have to take additional steps to prevent someone from believing if God has already proclaimed that they could not possibly believe without God causing them to believe?

 

[MennoSota]

Didn't help. Try again.

What are you referring to?

@InTheLight, Is puppetry the logical conclusion that an Arminian comes to if the try to envision God as Sovereign?