Why Do Conditionalists Contradict Themselves and Pray to God for Salvation?

[MrW]

No. They were born of God as the result of receiving Christ. Better read it again.

 

[KenH]

No. They were born of God as the result of receiving Christ. Better read it again.

No. Man cannot be saved by his own efforts or his own thoughts. Those who teach such are teaching a false gospel with a false Christ of their own vain imagination. The apostle Paul spoke strongly against those who do so and those who accept their false teaching: 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

 

[Silverhair]

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 1:13 which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The reader can see that in verse 13 that "were born" is in the past tense - it precedes the "believe" in verse 12.

Furthermore, verse 13 goes on to totally annihilate the idea that anything done by man precedes regeneration -

"not of blood" - not based one's parents or one's race or one's ethnicity or one's nationality.

"nor of the will of the flesh" - as 1 Corinthians 2:14 states, "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

"nor of the will of man" - one cannot through his own efforts simply will someone into being saved and bring it about - not a spouse, not a child, not a parent, not a friend, not even for himself.

"but of God" - as Jonah stated this in Jonah 2:9, "Salvation is of the Lord."

It is no wonder that you have such a hard time understanding the bible, you can't even read clear English. Paraphrase here just for you, Those that received Him were born of God , not of blood or the will of the flesh or the will of man. Does that make it clearer for you. Those verses are telling you that those that trusted in Him were born of God not by any other means. But since that does not fit your Calvinism you completely miss the point.

 

[MrW]

No. Man cannot be saved by his own efforts or his own thoughts. Those who teach such are teaching a false gospel with a false Christ of their own vain imagination. The apostle Paul spoke strongly against those who do so and those who accept their false teaching: 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

I did not say man can be saved by his own efforts. I said that he must believe on Christ for it is Christ’s atonement that saves. If we do not believe, we remain lost.

One cannot trust a “god” who supposedly created you to put you into burning hell forever, with no chance of avoiding that fate.

But the God who suffered and died and rose again for everyone so anyone can be saved—He is worthy of trust forevermore!

For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

2 Corinthians 5:14-15.

 

[KenH]

But the God who suffered and died and rose again for everyone so anyone can be saved—He is worthy of trust forevermore!

You are proclaiming a "Jesus" who is a potential savior. The real Jesus, the Son of God, is an actual Savior of His people.

Matthew 1:21 says that "He shall save His people from their sins." You have turned that verse into "He could save some people from their sins - if they let Him."

(emphasis mine)

 

[MrW]

No, He’s a real Saviour. He saved me and all who come to Him. “ he that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”

He shall save His people from their sins—not “maybe”. His people are all those that believe and come to Him and receive Him. He doesn’t save those who refuse Him.

I believed Him, received Him, and He kept His Word. He’s my Lord, my Saviour, and He loves me and I love Him.

 

[KenH]

“ he that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”

True. All of those whom the Father gave to the Son before the world began will come to the Son.

John 6:37, Ephesians 1:4, 2 Timothy 1:9

Every single one will come.

 

[MrW]

True. All of those whom the Father gave to the Son before the world began will come to the Son.

John 6:37, Ephesians 1:4, 2 Timothy 1:9

Every single one will come.

True. And also true that "...he that cometh to Me, I will in no wise cast out."
He knows who will. He knows who won't. But He still allows them to choose (or reject) in response to His call.
That's quite different from creating them purposely to fill hell, no choice at all.

 

[KenH]

But He still allows them to choose (or reject) in response to His call.

I tell you quite frankly, that if my salvation depends upon me using some alleged "libertarian free will", then I am doomed!

And so is every other human ever created.