Why do the CONs want to withold Medical Care from those who need it?

[rbell]

This republicant's objection to health care reform has nothing to do with health care. They must oppose everything the Democrats propose; they cannot allow President Obama to have a victory, especially one this large. If they did, the Democrats would hold onto power. This is something the right-wing cannot tolerate. This is why these right-wingers here would rather see the poor suffer than allow a health care victory.

Amazing...you're able to see into the hearts of others and discern motives.

Even though many of us (including people like me who are not Republicans) who have offered specific, thought-out reasons we are against a government takeover of healthcare...we find out from the assistant Holy Spirit, Robert Snow, that the real reason is that we hate poor people and want them to suffer. Thank you for looking into my heart, and telling me what I really feel.

Wow...when you put it like that, kinda shows the scope of your hatred of folks here, and the stupidity of your reasoning, huh?

I pity you, RS. Someone as angry as you are must truly be miserable.

 

[Robert Snow]

This is just stupidity. The "right-wing" knows there can be no affordable health care without TORT reform. And I guess since the dems now support things like the Patriot Act, domestic spying, and undeclared wars, you must have been looking in the mirror when you wrote this. And nobody who considers a dead, young lady "spilled milk" will be allowed to lecture me on the suffering poor.

Just another lazy liberal who thinks giving with other's earnings is virtuous.

:laugh: :laugh:

As your hero Carpro says: Must have touched a nerve!

 

[alatide]

If the government stopped taking half of our income in taxes, we just might be able to help a few people out and remove the middle man!

I estimated the cost of providing health insurance for those that are currently uninsured. It averaged out to an average of $500K/church/year in the US. The slack from small churches with less than 100 members would have to be taken up by larger churches so an SBC church with say 750 members might have to kick in $1M/year. Do you think your church could or would take on that responsibility. This includes the Catholic church as well as all the Protestant denominations. Based on what you see here on the BB do you think all churches would cooperate in this effort?

 

[donnA]

I haven't seen anyone say anything about withholding health care from anyone.

 

[alatide]

I haven't seen anyone say anything about withholding health care from anyone.

Do you pay for health insurance? Why do you do that if health care is free?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

:laugh: :laugh:

As your hero Carpro says: Must have touched a nerve!

Nope. You just made a stupid post. You cannot debate it point by point, like
I did.

 

[NiteShift]

This republicant's objection to health care reform has nothing to do with health care. They must oppose everything the Democrats propose; they cannot allow President Obama to have a victory, especially one this large.

Oh that's what it is? I thought it was because the Congressional leadership hasn't come up with a plan costing less than a trillion dollars over the next ten years. And that the systems we already have in place, Medicare & Medicaid, are expected to run out of money in the forseeable future. Seems like an issue that crosses party lines to me.

Could it be that you're willing to support Obama no matter what he proposes, cause he needs a victory?

 

[Winman]

Do you pay for health insurance? Why do you do that if health care is free?

I can't get free health care because I am one of those dummies who works and has a steady income. I don't qualify.

Now, if I were to quit working and hang out all day at the park, I would. :thumbsup:

 

[alatide]

I can't get free health care because I am one of those dummies who works and has a steady income. I don't qualify.

Now, if I were to quit working and hang out all day at the park, I would. :thumbsup:

I work full time as well by the way. But I've known many deserving people who also worked full time who don't get health insurance. Many small companies don't provide it. Many small churches don't provide it. My brother pastored a small church in a poor neighborhood for 7 years and never got health insurance. The idea that we're only talking about welfare cheats is simply wrong. In fact, Clinton put a work requirement on people who collect assistance.

Many people can't get health insurance due to preexisting conditions. That would be the case for me if I wasn't working.

 

[Winman]

I work full time as well by the way. But I've known many deserving people who also worked full time who don't get health insurance. Many small companies don't provide it. Many small churches don't provide it. My brother pastored a small church in a poor neighborhood for 7 years and never got health insurance. The idea that we're only talking about welfare cheats is simply wrong. In fact, Clinton put a work requirement on people who collect assistance.

Many people can't get health insurance due to preexisting conditions. That would be the case for me if I wasn't working.

Well, I don't know what you mean by deserving. I don't have health insurance because I deserve it, I have health insurance because I pay for it.

But I will agree with you on this. I was an insurance salesman for 10 years back in the 80's (property and casualty), I know a little bit about it. If I were an insurance company I would offer insurance to small companies in pools. My brother owns an auto repair shop and employs just 3 employees besides himself. It is difficult to get reasonable rates because the pool is so small. But if all the like companies in his state were enabled to pool themselves together, then they would be able to get affordable rates.

But there is a lot more to it than this. Many young people refuse to buy insurance simply because they believe they will never need it, or at least not for many years to come. And they are probably correct in this, at least statistically. But if you are willingly not going to buy insurance, you shouldn't complain about it. And unknown to many, these people who willingly refuse insurance are often included as the "uninsured" when you hear these politicians who are behind this health care plan make a speech. Of course, they leave out the important fact that these folks could easily purchase insurance if they wanted to.

And those folks who don't work can already get free health care, why should they purchase it?

 

[alatide]

Well, I don't know what you mean by deserving. I don't have health insurance because I deserve it, I have health insurance because I pay for it.

But I will agree with you on this. I was an insurance salesman for 10 years back in the 80's (property and casualty), I know a little bit about it. If I were an insurance company I would offer insurance to small companies in pools. My brother owns an auto repair shop and employs just 3 employees besides himself. It is difficult to get reasonable rates because the pool is so small. But if all the like companies in his state were enabled to pool themselves together, then they would be able to get affordable rates.

But there is a lot more to it than this. Many young people refuse to buy insurance simply because they believe they will never need it, or at least not for many years to come. And they are probably correct in this, at least statistically. But if you are willingly not going to buy insurance, you shouldn't complain about it. And unknown to many, these people who willingly refuse insurance are often included as the "uninsured" when you hear these politicians who are behind this health care plan make a speech. Of course, they leave out the important fact that these folks could easily purchase insurance if they wanted to.

And those folks who don't work can already get free health care, why should they purchase it?

Clinton placed a work requirement on welfare. No work, no check. It's as simple as that.

 

[annsni]

Do you pay for health insurance? Why do you do that if health care is free?

I asked this question before but you ignored it. I asked twice - this will be the third time.

Why do people in countries with free healthcare go ahead and buy private insurance. I spoke to two friends the other day from England and both did this when they lived there. Why did they bother if they had such wonderful, free healthcare?

 

[annsni]

I estimated the cost of providing health insurance for those that are currently uninsured. It averaged out to an average of $500K/church/year in the US. The slack from small churches with less than 100 members would have to be taken up by larger churches so an SBC church with say 750 members might have to kick in $1M/year. Do you think your church could or would take on that responsibility. This includes the Catholic church as well as all the Protestant denominations. Based on what you see here on the BB do you think all churches would cooperate in this effort?

And just how did you come up with this number?

I know that our own government has taken plenty of money from us. My husband sold his business that he fully funded himself and ran, without any government help for 5 years before he sold it. The government took over 50% of the proceeds. Why? They didn't do diddly to help us out. My husband was the one who put in 24 hour days. We were the ones to have 4 employees live in our house when we were a young newly married couple because we couldn't yet afford an office and they were in the early stages of this product and needed to get it ready fast. But the government took a half million dollars for doing....nothing.

 

[alatide]

I asked this question before but you ignored it. I asked twice - this will be the third time.

Why do people in countries with free healthcare go ahead and buy private insurance. I spoke to two friends the other day from England and both did this when they lived there. Why did they bother if they had such wonderful, free healthcare?

Why do people with Medicare insurance buy extensions to Medicare? I know AARP offers one. Presumably the reason is the insurance offered to everyone isn't perfect.

Now I'll ask you a question. Why is America the ONLY industrialized nation not to have coverage like the kind that is currently being proposed? Who do you suppose has prevented us from getting that? Right wing Christians have taken the lead in stopping these measures. As a minister, are you really proud of what you've accomplished?

 

[Revmitchell]

And just how did you come up with this number?

Most likely the magical way they come up with the number 50000 Americans who need insurance. Slight of hand with the numbers.

 

[targus]

Why do people with Medicare insurance buy extensions to Medicare? I know AARP offers one. Presumably the reason is the insurance offered to everyone isn't perfect.

Now I'll ask you a question. Why is America the ONLY industrialized nation not to have coverage like the kind that is currently being proposed? Who do you suppose has prevented us from getting that? Right wing Christians have taken the lead in stopping these measures. As a minister, are you really proud of what you've accomplished?

Because until now, the majority of people in the U.S. believed that individuals could take care of themselves better than the government.

Many of us still do.

There are many people (like yourself) however who have made a lot of poor decisions in their lives and now after failing to obtain an adequate education, after failing to work hard, after failing to save for the future... want someone else to take care of them.

Should you ever get your wish you will soon find that you are just going to be another number to the government - someone that can be consigned to the backroom when your needs become a budgetary burden.

Good luck with that.

 

[annsni]

Why do people with Medicare insurance buy extensions to Medicare? I know AARP offers one. Presumably the reason is the insurance offered to everyone isn't perfect.

Now I'll ask you a question. Why is America the ONLY industrialized nation not to have coverage like the kind that is currently being proposed? Who do you suppose has prevented us from getting that? Right wing Christians have taken the lead in stopping these measures. As a minister, are you really proud of what you've accomplished?

I'm not a minister so no need to ask that last question.

Am I proud of what I've accomplished? Sure I am - but it has nothing to do with health insurance. We have health insurance because my husband is gainfully employed. My daughters, who are 17 and 19 also have their own health insurance because they both are gainfully employed - working part time at a grocery store. So we have health insurance because we work.

 

[alatide]

Most likely the magical way they come up with the number 50000 Americans who need insurance. Slight of hand with the numbers.

What is your analysis? I'll find my post.

 

[alatide]

Because until now, the majority of people in the U.S. believed that individuals could take care of themselves better than the government.

Many of us still do.

There are many people (like yourself) however who have made a lot of poor decisions in their lives and now after failing to obtain an adequate education, after failing to work hard, after failing to save for the future... want someone else to take care of them.

Should you ever get your wish you will soon find that you are just going to be another number to the government - someone that can be consigned to the backroom when your needs become a budgetary burden.

Good luck with that.

You have no idea about me or or my background and yet you make these unChristian statements about me. It turns out I have a MS in Engineering from a prestigious University and 35 years experience. (What is your Alma Mater and what is your position?) I work full time. I simply have a heart for the poor because I am a Christian. What is your professional background? Do you have a heart for the poor? This is a serious question. If you think it is not read MA 25.

 

[alatide]

I'm not a minister so no need to ask that last question.

Am I proud of what I've accomplished? Sure I am - but it has nothing to do with health insurance. We have health insurance because my husband is gainfully employed. My daughters, who are 17 and 19 also have their own health insurance because they both are gainfully employed - working part time at a grocery store. So we have health insurance because we work.

Read the Bible. All Christians are ministers.