Why do you believe?

[Rebel1]

Why are you a believer? Have you had a personal experience of Jesus Christ? Or do you believe based on what someone else believed or experienced? Or do you believe based on a rational decision?

 

[Adonia]

My belief is based on all three of your statements. Plus, there is nothing down here on earth for me and at some point my earthly existence will end. And when it does, being in heaven with God sounds wonderful.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

My belief is based on all three of your statements. Plus, there is nothing down here on earth for me and at some point my earthly existence will end. And when it does, being in heaven with God sounds wonderful.

So how do you know your going to make it?

 

[Rebel1]

My belief is based on all three of your statements. Plus, there is nothing down here on earth for me and at some point my earthly existence will end. And when it does, being in heaven with God sounds wonderful.

I hope to meet you there.

 

[Adonia]

So how do you know your going to make it?

Hope is eternal. I hear also that God has an infinite amount of mercy - even for a sinner like me. In the end God alone will make the call.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Hope is eternal. I hear also that God has an infinite amount of mercy - even for a sinner like me. In the end God alone will make the call.

Agreed, however your church requires members to jump through the hoops of 7 sacraments in order to achieve heaven. Are you diligent in that doctrinal pronouncement?

 

[thatbrian]

Why do I believe in Christ? What was the cause? See Ephesians 2:8-9, John 6 and 10, Ephesians 1. . . He is the cause.

 

[Revmitchell]

Why are you a believer? Have you had a personal experience of Jesus Christ? Or do you believe based on what someone else believed or experienced? Or do you believe based on a rational decision?

I believe because God sent His Son to die for me and then sent me the gospel. Calvinists believe because, well....they didn't have any choice.

 

[Adonia]

Agreed, however your church requires members to jump through the hoops of 7 sacraments in order to achieve heaven. Are you diligent in that doctrinal pronouncement?

The 7 sacraments, along with first having faith, are a means to help us live holy lives I believe that you yourself abide by them, except you do not use the word "sacrament". So let's go through them with the following questions and a simple yes or no to each of them will suffice.

1. Does your Christian faith tradition have an ordained clergy?
2. Does your Christian faith tradition have marriage between men and women?
3. Does your Christian faith tradition have baptism?
4. Does your Christian faith tradition require confession of sins?
5. Does your Christian faith tradition believe in the Holy Spirit?
6. Does your Christian faith tradition believe in the anointing of the sick for healing?
7. Does you Christian faith tradition believe in Communion?

Now call me crazy, but aren't all those things mentioned in the Scriptures? If so, then God must have wanted us to abide by them.

 

[TCassidy]

Calvinists believe because, well....they didn't have any choice.

Why must you constantly lie about what others believe?

 

[TCassidy]

1. Does your Christian sect have an ordained clergy?

I am not part of a sect. I am a member of a church. And we don't have clergy. We have the gift of men whom God has given to His true church.

2. Does your Christian sect have marriage between man and woman?

I am not part of a sect. I am a member of a church. Many of us choose to marry but it makes no difference to our eternal destiny.

3. Does your Christian sect have baptism?

I am not part of a sect. I am a member of a church. But we have scriptural baptism of believers by immersion who have a credible testimony of faith in Christ as Lord and Savior. We have "baptism." Not "rantism."

4. Does your Christian sect require confession of sins?

I am not part of a sect. I am a member of a church. We confess our sins directly to God. Not to a sinful man.

5. Does your Christian sect believe in the Holy Spirit?

I am not part of a sect. I am a member of a church. We are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God.

6. Does your Christian sect believe in the anointing of the sick for healing?

I am not part of a sect. I am a member of a church. I usually just go to the doctor.

7. Does you Christian sect believe in Communion?

I am not part of a sect. I am a member of a church. We are in commonunion with those who are in Christ. We aren't cannibals or werewolves or vampires who eat human flesh and drink human blood. Transubstantiation is blasphemy of the worst sort.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The 7 sacraments are a means to help us live holy lives. I believe that you yourself abide by them, except you do not use the word "sacrament". So let's go through them with the following questions and a simple yes or no to each of them will suffice.

1. Does your Christian sect have an ordained clergy? No
2. Does your Christian sect ( no sect here)
3. Does your Christian sect have baptism? No sect here but It’s more like a dunking
4. Does your Christian sect require confession of sins? No... I’m not attached to any sect.
5. Does your Christian sect believe in the Holy Spirit? Again no sect.
6. Does your Christian sect believe in the anointing of the sick for healing? Nope we just turn them into Soil Ent green
7. Does you Christian sect believe in Communion? What’s that?

Now call me crazy, but aren't all those things mentioned in the Scriptures? If so, then God must have wanted us to abide by them.

OK....you are a crazy catholic, who prays to Mary and self appointed saints and celebrates with pagan rituals. Then you exhalt men to positions of power instead of humility. I don’t follow sacraments nor do I belong to a cult nor do I add works to my salvation

So what are you attempting to show here... that you and I are similar, forgive me but I don’t see it. I worship Christ alone while you worship Christ and the saints and the RCC. I believe in once saved always saved while you jump through the hoops of the RCC sacraments, And I don’t ally myself to anyone or anything but Christ while you jump endless hoops IE feast days, fast days, holy days (of obligation) Saints Days etc. Then you attempt to ally me with a cult!?! Ha ha ha. Had your apostate church gathered in love vs absolute power, you would have stemmed the tide of discord, brought the dissenters into line, kept the peace... perhaps even grown in human witness and subsequent understanding. Instead your cult released a million different iterations, all claiming spiritual and scriptural truth... one more inane than the other. Think of all the money you could have made, the mouths you could have fed, the converts you could have convinced ... instead of having them (all the po’d ex-Catholics) starting and hooking up with your rivals. Sorry but how do you expect to spread your word to those who despise you for your self promoted sense of superiority and entitlement?

So please do not to try to ally my beliefs to yours... yours are anathema.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Why must you constantly lie about what others believe?

Either blindness, ignorance, deception or all three. Whatever it is... their is always a note of sarcasm to which is most unbecoming to a man of the cloth.

 

[thatbrian]

Either blindness, ignorance, deception or all three. Whatever it is... their is always a note of sarcasm to which is most unbecoming to a man of the cloth.

I fully agree with all but the sarcasm part. Even Jesus used this rhetorical tool. Our friend uses it in an unskilful and obnoxious way, which, of course, Jesus did not, so I do not excuse the party in question for his actions here on BB.

 

[PastoralMusings]

First I believed because of the self attesting nature of Scripture.
I also believe because it is reasonable to believe.

 

[utilyan]

OK....you are a crazy catholic, who prays to Mary and self appointed saints and celebrates with pagan rituals. Then you exhalt men to positions of power instead of humility. I don’t follow sacraments nor do I belong to a cult nor do I add works to my salvation

So what are you attempting to show here... that you and I are similar, forgive me but I don’t see it. I worship Christ alone while you worship Christ and the saints and the RCC. I believe in once saved always saved while you jump through the hoops of the RCC sacraments, And I don’t ally myself to anyone or anything but Christ while you jump endless hoops IE feast days, fast days, holy days (of obligation) Saints Days etc. Then you attempt to ally me with a cult!?! Ha ha ha. Had your apostate church gathered in love vs absolute power, you would have stemmed the tide of discord, brought the dissenters into line, kept the peace... perhaps even grown in human witness and subsequent understanding. Instead your cult released a million different iterations, all claiming spiritual and scriptural truth... one more inane than the other. Think of all the money you could have made, the mouths you could have fed, the converts you could have convinced ... instead of having them (all the po’d ex-Catholics) starting and hooking up with your rivals. Sorry but how do you expect to spread your word to those who despise you for your self promoted sense of superiority and entitlement?

So please do not to try to ally my beliefs to yours... yours are anathema.

In a nutshell you are saying he is RIGHT.

Our major point of contention is we say Faith and doing things the right way.

So if your going to sit there and whine about what he does after asking him, you ultimately agree there is right way to do things that are required.


Your telling him he is not allowed to do this or that as if it puts his soul in jeopardy. This is coming from a guy who insists Faith alone and you don't have to do anything right.


Oh but wait your Calvinist right........... why don't you tell God to fix him since there is nothing you or he can do for himself?

I'm gonna tell you right now if you believe in FAITH ALONE Calvinism is the perfect expression of it. Cause it doesn't matter if you do or don't have a choice its on God alone regardless of what does or doesn't do.

Christmas is Christ's Mass. Lets see you get off our Catholic day and get your own day, get your own bible while your at it, instead of stealing the Anglican's book.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

In a nutshell you are saying he is RIGHT.

Our major point of contention is we say Faith and doing things the right way.

So if your going to sit there and whine about what he does after asking him, you ultimately agree there is right way to do things that are required.


Your telling him he is not allowed to do this or that as if it puts his soul in jeopardy. This is coming from a guy who insists Faith alone and you don't have to do anything right.


Oh but wait your Calvinist right........... why don't you tell God to fix him since there is nothing you or he can do for himself?

I'm gonna tell you right now if you believe in FAITH ALONE Calvinism is the perfect expression of it. Cause it doesn't matter if you do or don't have a choice its on God alone regardless of what does or doesn't do.

Christmas is Christ's Mass. Lets see you get off our Catholic day and get your own day, get your own bible while your at it, instead of stealing the Anglican's book.

Look if you want to walk around each day deluding yourself in believing you are thee quintessential Church” thus fooling yourselves, that’s fine by me, but ahhh no, I ain’t going to condone it. What it is is an apostate claptrap of heresy and you know that. What is more, he (Adonis) knows it as does everyone who has ever bothered to read the scriptures.

The very reason you are on the largest Baptist forum is testimony to your innermost knowledge that you are full of baloney about your precious little apostate creation of the gelded priestly class and ignorant laity. So you prattle on here like the uninformed Catholic you really are while the rest of us inwardly consider you to be pretty sad, more accurately pathetic. So why don’t you just run off back to your apostate heretical Church where you really belong. Rosery in hand.

 

[Adonia]

OK....you are a crazy catholic, who prays to Mary and self appointed saints and celebrates with pagan rituals. Then you exhalt men to positions of power instead of humility. I don’t follow sacraments nor do I belong to a cult nor do I add works to my salvation

So what are you attempting to show here... that you and I are similar, forgive me but I don’t see it. I worship Christ alone while you worship Christ and the saints and the RCC. I believe in once saved always saved while you jump through the hoops of the RCC sacraments, And I don’t ally myself to anyone or anything but Christ while you jump endless hoops IE feast days, fast days, holy days (of obligation) Saints Days etc. Then you attempt to ally me with a cult!?! Ha ha ha. Had your apostate church gathered in love vs absolute power, you would have stemmed the tide of discord, brought the dissenters into line, kept the peace... perhaps even grown in human witness and subsequent understanding. Instead your cult released a million different iterations, all claiming spiritual and scriptural truth... one more inane than the other. Think of all the money you could have made, the mouths you could have fed, the converts you could have convinced ... instead of having them (all the po’d ex-Catholics) starting and hooking up with your rivals. Sorry but how do you expect to spread your word to those who despise you for your self promoted sense of superiority and entitlement?

So please do not to try to ally my beliefs to yours... yours are anathema.

Marriage is anathema? Ordination is anathema? Baptism is anathema? Healing is anathema? Communion is anathema? Confirmation in the Holy Spirit is anathema? Confessing one's sins is anathema? Well so be it then, we are the Catholic Anathema Church.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I asked for a simple yes or no. Why couldn't you do it? Probably because a yes would have meant that we indeed are similar in what we believe, while a no would have meant that you do not have Christian belief's.

As for "apostate church", I wouldn't talk. You folks reject just about all of what has been taught through all the centuries. Your sect did not even exist for over a thousand years. So yes, you "church", your "faith tradition" is just another Christian sect, one of many that exist out there.

If you believe that Baptists are a sect (which you state repeatedly) then you need to go.

 

[Adonia]

I am not part of a sect. I am a member of a church. And we don't have clergy. We have the gift of men whom God has given to His true church.

Semantics. If you have pastors, you have an ordained clergy.

Many of us choose to marry but it makes no difference to our eternal destiny.

Nor does it to us. God loves us whether we are single or wed.

But we have scriptural baptism of believers by immersion who have a credible testimony of faith in Christ as Lord and Savior.

Our baptism is also done with water, in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Our testimony of faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is also credible.

We are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God.

As are we. The Holy Spirit lives within us and is our guide.

We confess our sins directly to God. Not to a sinful man.

We follow the Scriptures on this one. God gave this power to men to forgive sins IN HIS NAME.

I usually just go to the doctor.

Then you do not follow the Scriptures on this one either. It's right there in black and white - did you miss it perhaps?

We are in commonunion with those who are in Christ. We aren't cannibals or werewolves or vampires who eat human flesh and drink human blood. Transubstantiation is blasphemy of the worst sort.

Neither are we cannibals or werewolves, and we follow the Scriptures on this one too. Jesus said Holy Communion was His Body and Blood. He said it, orthodoxy teaches it, and we believe it. The blasphemy is yours for denying this reality and calling the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ a blasphemous thing.