Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
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Why does God allow bad things to happen to his people?
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Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
SovereignMercy
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God doesn't "allow" anything. He ordains everything.
Do not rejoice over me, my enemy; when I fall, I will arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD will be a light to me. I will bear the indignation of the LORD, because I have sinned against Him, until He pleads my case and executes justice for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I will see His righteousness.
Do not rejoice over me, my enemy; when I fall, I will arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD will be a light to me. I will bear the indignation of the LORD, because I have sinned against Him, until He pleads my case and executes justice for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I will see His righteousness.
SovereignMercy
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In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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He ordained sin?
Our inheritance is His character and ministry. How does that apply to "bad things happen to good people"?
He is said to have learned...in the sense of His identification with His people as our Great High Priest......He learned or experienced suffering having gone through it sinlessly.
heb4;
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
so we can come boldly,or confidently in prayer;
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
heb5
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Worth quoting.
That would depend on perspective. John 10:18
You are right. "No one takes it from me,but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." (NIV)
It was the most evil act ever done by man--but at the same time it was the will of the Triune God for it to take place.
Acts 2:23 "This man was handed over to you by God's deliberate plan and foreknowledge;and you, with the help of wicked men,put him to death by nailing him to the cross." (NIV)
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Romans 8:17
Maybe
Not only did he learn obedience through the things he suffered, he became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Phil 2:8
If I were a betting man, I would bet my bottom dollar that obedience he learned and became, is the obedience of faith for which the gospel went unto the nations. in Romans 1:5 and Romans 16:25,26
And he was the one that said, "Why callest thou me good?"
Not sure what you're driving at here. Jesus is good --you have no problem with that do you? Why Jesus asked why He should be addressed as good --He wanted to establish that there was no comparison with anyone else. God is pure,righteous,good and perfect among his many characteristics (or, as they said in the past, "perfections"). Jesus was certainly not doubting His own goodness.
He was without sin. Good'er than me for sure.
Methinks he was saying one has to be as good as God. Even as the Son was/is as good as the Father.
thisnumbersdisconnected
New Member
Hardly. That verse doesn't prove your point.
No he's not right. God's point of view is the one that matters, and His testimony is that His Son was persecuted and murdered. He destroyed Jerusalem for it.
I provided God's POV. You would argue the colors of the rainbow...
Was Christ evil spoken of?
Was He plotted against?
Was He betrayed?
Was He falsely tried?
Was He mocked, tortured, and murdered?
The answer to all the questions is yes. I'll be happy to provide the references, but for now, I'm assuming that you're familiar enough with the narratives.
The only good person to whom bad things happened was Christ.
Was He plotted against?
Was He betrayed?
Was He falsely tried?
Was He mocked, tortured, and murdered?
The answer to all the questions is yes. I'll be happy to provide the references, but for now, I'm assuming that you're familiar enough with the narratives.
The only good person to whom bad things happened was Christ.
It proves the point that Christians suffer with Christ. There are many scriptures that state that. I assume Christians are his people.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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But it fails to address the implication in your post that God ordained sin.