Why does God let us sin?

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What few understand is that Christ's imputed righteousness and shed blood saves us. Our wood, hay, and stubble righteousness cannot save us. But it is our attempt to show our love for God. But contrary to the works salvation crew, even if all we do will never pass the test of fire, it is Christ's imputed righteousness that saves us. But if you can muster any righteous, it yields a greater reward in glory.

Actually we are saved by the Blood that He shed to save us in the first place alone. Righteousness is not needed to save us. Righteousness is given us after we believe. You see don't you Dave what you add to scripture only serves to deceive. It seems you try to out do the Word by adding to it. You must say to your self I can say it better than that..
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[Van]

It wasn't anything surprising was it?
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I see I got my tongue in front of my eye tooth so I could not see what I was saying, and mistakenly used a double negative.
I should have said: "I expect not even a single Calvinist can reference the verse that answers that question."

 

[MB]

I see I got my tongue in front of my eye tooth so I could not see what I was saying, and mistakenly used a double negative.
I should have said: "I expect not even a single Calvinist can reference the verse that answers that question."

The Calvinist doesn't have a single understanding of the English language. My proof is just look at what they do with scripture when what it's saying is as plain as day. LOL!.
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[1689Dave]

Actually we are saved by the Blood that He shed to save us in the first place alone. Righteousness is not needed to save us. Righteousness is given us after we believe. You see don't you Dave what you add to scripture only serves to deceive. It seems you try to out do the Word by adding to it. You must say to your self I can say it better than that..
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Paul says God imputed our sins to Christ and His righteousness to us. Sin cannot enter heaven. That's why we die so the resurrection can make us sinless. You should study Paul in Romans 5 on this matter.

 

[MB]

Paul says God imputed our sins to Christ and His righteousness to us. Sin cannot enter heaven. That's why we die so the resurrection can make us sinless. You should study Paul in Romans 5 on this matter.

The only thing that matters is that Christ died for the sins of the whole world. Scripture says this, and you deny it. We are already sinless in Christ We die because of sin. Our flesh cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Not to worry we will have a new body in heaven.
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[1689Dave]

The only thing that matters is that Christ died for the sins of the whole world. Scripture says this, and you deny it. We are already sinless in Christ We die because of sin. Our flesh cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Not to worry we will have a new body in heaven.
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If so, why aren't all saved? You imply his death didn't save anyone.

 

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If so, why aren't all saved? You imply his death didn't save anyone.

Question has been answered many times. We still have to believe before we can be saved. The Bible says this repeatedly. In acts 16:31. You call it works for Salvation but faith is not a work. You believe you are saved with out faith which is not true. Scripture never says we are saved so we can believe.. All those who call on His name are saved. We have to believe to call on His name other wise we would not do it. You must step back when you read these verses and think they aren't true to deny them.
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[1689Dave]

Question has been answered many times. We still have to believe before we can be saved. The Bible says this repeatedly. In acts 16:31. You call it works for Salvation but faith is not a work. You believe you are saved with out faith which is not true. Scripture never says we are saved so we can believe.. All those who call on His name are saved. We have to believe to call on His name other wise we would not do it. You must step back when you read these verses and think they aren't true to deny them.
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You think you save yourself = an atonement that doesn't save.

Christ saved me when I could not believe. Giving me a new birth that caused me to believe = an atonement that actually saves sinners.

 

[1689Dave]

The Calvinist doesn't have a single understanding of the English language. My proof is just look at what they do with scripture when what it's saying is as plain as day. LOL!.
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The Pharisees knew what the words said, but they did not know what they meant. That's a big problem today.

 

[1689Dave]

I have heard that the main difference between Baptist and Methodist is that the Baptist do not believe in backsliding but the Methodist practice it!

While I love Methodism I see no signs of sinless perfection these days.

People are way in over their heads on this. They try to make our wood, hay, stubble works perfect (impossible) instead of realizing they are clothed with Christ's imputed perfect righteousness. Our righteousness is merely an attempt to tell God thanks for Christ's imputed righteousness that actually makes us perfect and saves us.

 

[MB]

You think you save yourself = an atonement that doesn't save.

Christ saved me when I could not believe. Giving me a new birth that caused me to believe = an atonement that actually saves sinners.

You think your saved with out Christ. You're only fooling your self.Jesus Saves. Paul tells us how to be saved and you deny it. You can't even quote a single verse that says what you believe about Salvation.
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[MB]

The Pharisees knew what the words said, but they did not know what they meant. That's a big problem today.

It sure is and you are just like them. You think you know but believe me for the sake of your life. God does not save those who do not believe Him and His precious Word. I thank God I received Faith from hearing and reading the Word .All you have to is call on His name. It's just that simple.
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[1689Dave]

You think your saved with out Christ. You're only fooling your self.Jesus Saves. Paul tells us how to be saved and you deny it. You can't even quote a single verse that says what you believe about Salvation.
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You turn the gospel into a system of works. You must be saved (born again) before you can discern the true Christ.

“He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 16:15–17 (KJV 1900)

 

[1689Dave]

It sure is and you are just like them. You think you know but believe me for the sake of your life. God does not save those who do not believe Him and His precious Word. I thank God I received Faith from hearing and reading the Word .All you have to is call on His name. It's just that simple.
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God blinded the Pharisees who knew the original languages as well as any, but they could not understand what the words meant.

 

[MB]

You turn the gospel into a system of works. You must be saved (born again) before you can discern the true Christ.

“He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 16:15–17 (KJV 1900)

No where in scripture is faith ever defined as a work. It is not defined as a work in any dictionary. Who do you think you are redefining words as if you are Noah Webster him self. Good works are defined as helping others in some fashion. Not to mention the verses here that you have presented do not support your false doctrine of being saved with out faith.
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God blinded the Pharisees who knew the original languages as well as any, but they could not understand what the words meant.

This is true and it describes you and your doctrines which are man made. You still have not proven your position to be true.
You compare me with the Pharisee's but you never look at who really does not understand. Your self you are blinded by your false Calvinism which is not found in scripture..
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[1689Dave]

No where in scripture is faith ever defined as a work. It is not defined as a work in any dictionary. Who do you think you are redefining words as if you are Noah Webster him self. Good works are defined as helping others in some fashion. Not to mention the verses here that you have presented do not support your false doctrine of being saved with out faith.
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Faith without works is dead. So in essence you claim works are your means of salvation. Meeting conditions that correspond to the Law are works.

 

[1689Dave]

This is true and it describes you and your doctrines which are man made. You still have not proven your position to be true.
You compare me with the Pharisee's but you never look at who really does not understand. Your self you are blinded by your false Calvinism which is not found in scripture..
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If you cannot see this truth in scripture, you might have a huge problem.

 

[MB]

Faith without works is dead. So in essence you claim works are your means of salvation. Meeting conditions that correspond to the Law are works.

Faith is not a Law . Faith is a matter of believing, a matter of trust jn Jesus Christ. What makes you think it isn't work trying to reach you with the truth?
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[MB]

If you cannot see this truth in scripture, you might have a huge problem.

If you can't call on Jesus Christ you do have a problem.

I don't have any problems I know where I'm going when I die. My heart is at peace with where I'm going. I don't have to wonder about whether or not I'm elect because election will not save you.Only Jesus Christ saves. Not the Father or the Holy Spirit

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